What happened to the MK-20 Rockeye?

[Snacko]

I Finally got a chance to fly FC2 for a few hours last night and had trouble with the MK20s. They don't spread their bomblets over a column anymore like they did in Lockon and FC1.

 

Has something changed? Or am I maybe deploying them wrong? I went back into the manual and re-read the CCIP Weapons Deployment for the MK82, 84, and 20, and it said the same old way to deploy them. But they just hit one spot and don't spread along more than maybe one (or two tanks if I am lucky). When I look at the explosion it looks like it just hit one spot like an MK 82 or 84 does.

[scorpion80]

If you look carefully, you'll see the bomb is divided into the air and not on the ground like F.C. 1.0...

[Snacko]

I'm not sure what than means or how that helps me?

[159th_Falcon]

Basicly, instead of giving the bombs an standard blast pattern like in FC1

The blast pattern is now to an extend "calculated" meaning;

If you drop from below 100 meters the bomblets disperes over an 15 meter radius

from 200 meters 30 meters radius

from 300 meters 60 meters radius

 

and so on up to an certain maximum. (note the numbers are fictional but give you a general idea of what's happening)

 

In conclusion, try dropping your bombs from an higher altitude to the bomblets have more "time" to disperse and cover an larger area.

[Snacko]

Ok, Thanks a lot.

 

Do they still stretch out along the road as they are dropping along their fall line? In FC1 I remember the blast area being about 3-4 times longer that it was wide, line a line. Great for tanks in a column on a road.

 

Another OT Question:

Is there anyway to get rid of that chat window that opens when you press the ` (or ~) key? I hit it by accident sometimes and cannot close it without typing a message. Arggg...

[GGTharos]

The pattern is now wider than it is long. You can pretty much forget about taking out an entire convoy with a single bomb, unless you drop it from the right direction (perpendicular to target). Further, you'll find that iron bombs work well on convoys.

 

Just start using ripple bombing and forget about bomb-sniping. Also, drop your rockeyes from as high as you can ... 10000' is your friend.

 

Ok, Thanks a lot.

 

Do they still stretch out along the road as they are dropping along their fall line? In FC1 I remember the blast area being about 3-4 times longer that it was wide, line a line. Great for tanks in a column on a road.

[Xjikz]

don't type anything, just press ENTER

[Snacko]

The pattern is now wider than it is long. You can pretty much forget about taking out an entire convoy with a single bomb, unless you drop it from the right direction (perpendicular to target). Further, you'll find that iron bombs work well on convoys.

 

Just start using ripple bombing and forget about bomb-sniping. Also, drop your rockeyes from as high as you can ... 10000' is your friend.

Ok, Thanks!

 

 

don't type anything, just press ENTER

Hmmm... I'm sure I tried that several times, but it didn't work. I'll try it again. Seems like pressing `(~) should just toggle it on/off. That would be nice with the F10 map. F10 opens the map, but F10 does not do anything if the map is already open. Would be nice if it would just close the map IMO. :smilewink:

[159th_Viper]

Aye - as GG said, the effect is pretty nifty and allows for a certain degree of leeway, especially when utilizing CCRP in the Hog. Herewith a track posted a wee while ago illustrating the scenario quite nicely - IIRC at Altitude of 8000':

 

 

Cluster-Run with 12 Rockeyes Single#12#50m/s release against 15 BMP-3's with 13 Kills.

 

 

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[Snacko]

Just watched your track Viper. Thanks a lot, that is a good little example/tutorial.

 

In summary, you set your qty to XX (not sure) and interval to 50. Then used your cursor keys and Tab(lock) to lock on the first tank? You climbed to over 7000 feet and leveled off and flew level towards the box till it dropped down the line? Did you use the CCRP Steering Mode (O key)?

[NRG-Vampire]

Cluster-Run with 12 Rockeyes Single#12#50m/s release against 15 BMP-3's with 13 Kills.

 

12 bombs = 13 kills ?

Its awful :mad:

In FC1 was 1 bomb per 2-3 kills in a convoy by a Hog :thumbup:

 

Im not sure about Mk20 IRL but its must kill more than 1 target if targets close enough to others :doh:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii5D0MbLrHI&feature=related

 

dark side of cluster bombs:

[GGTharos]

In a typical convoy they'll travel 50-100m apart.

[Boberro]

First time when I wanted to drop RBK-250/500OA from Frogfoot I was doing it like I used to do it in the past - flying up to about 100 (rather lower) meters and dropping single bombes killing whole columns :D Result was none. I was too low.

 

Now it is time to learn how it should be ;]

[159th_Viper]

Thanks a lot, that is a good little example/tutorial.

 

 

No Bother :)

 

 

 

In summary, you set your qty to XX (not sure) and interval to 50. Then used your cursor keys and Tab(lock) to lock on the first tank? You climbed to over 7000 feet and leveled off and flew level towards the box till it dropped down the line? Did you use the CCRP Steering Mode (O key)?

 

Correct: Weapons-Release Parameters set upon Ingress (Single Release/12/Interval 50ms). Then stabilize the TDC and the target mark appears (box). Thereafter engage CCRP Mode (O) and the target mark appears on the top of the fall-line. Keep the box centered on the fall-line via nominal control inputs till Weapons-Release and you're Good to Go.

 

Can play around with Speed, Altitude and Interval settings as they affect Ordinance Dispersal, ie faster speed necessitates lower Ripple Interval and Visa Versa. Altitude also plays a role, although to what extent I am not certain as it was just a quick test I ran to get the track.

[NRG-Vampire]

Also, drop your rockeyes from as high as you can ... 10000' is your friend.

In a typical convoy they'll travel 50-100m apart.

I believe thats the close enough category moreover if we drop rockeye from 10000 in pairs ;)

[GGTharos]

How does believing affect the cluster bomb dispersal? ;)

[Snacko]

What technically, does CCRP Steering Mode [o] do? You are still steering the aircraft yourself, so does it do something with steering? Or does it simpley 'turn on' the automation system to drop the bombs for you and nothing more?

[GGTharos]

It will drop the bombs for you at the right time if you steer the aircraft correctly. It allows you to drop on target without diving to see where you are placing the pipper.

[159th_Viper]

It allows you to drop on target without diving to see where you are placing the pipper.

 

Aye - also allows you to Drop, Turn and Burn (ie Split-S and run like ), potentially keeping you out of trouble.......When the first Bombs hit, you're well away.

[RvEFuSiOn]

The pattern is now wider than it is long. You can pretty much forget about taking out an entire convoy with a single bomb, unless you drop it from the right direction (perpendicular to target). Further, you'll find that iron bombs work well on convoys.

 

Just start using ripple bombing and forget about bomb-sniping. Also, drop your rockeyes from as high as you can ... 10000' is your friend.

 

 

First off, lets get something right... In a real aircraft when dropping these CBU's, the pilot has to set a burst altitude and an impact spacing along with an Arming delay. FC2 doesn't have any of these variables... instead it goes by some silly script.

Real Rockeye works differently. Minimum drop altitude is 500 Ft, 400Ft with 4G pull.

It has a 247 MK-118 bomblets capable of penetrating 7.5" thick armour. So when a Rockeye in FC2 Takes out 1 or 2 tanks Please DON'T JUSTIFY IT without knowing how they work.

And last but not least, if you have to resort to dropping mk82/84 iron bombs on a convoy then there is seriously something wrong the cluster weapons in FC2.

Peace

Edited May 1, 2010 by =RvE=FuSiOn

[A.S]

[159th_Viper]

First off, lets get something right... In a real aircraft when dropping these CBU's, the pilot has to set a burst altitude and an impact spacing along with an Arming delay. FC2 doesn't have any of these variables... instead it goes by some silly script.

Real Rockeye works differently. Minimum drop altitude is 500 Ft, 400Ft with 4G pull.

It has a 247 MK-118 bomblets capable of penetrating 7.5" thick armour. So when a Rockeye in FC2 Takes out 1 or 2 tanks Please DON'T JUSTIFY IT without knowing how they work.

And last but not least, if you have to resort to dropping mk82/84 iron bombs on a convoy then there is seriously something wrong the cluster weapons in FC2.

Peace

 

I'm assuming then you'll be Well-Pleased when DCS:A-10C comes along?

[ShadowVonChadwick]

Hi all

 

I to was dissapointed with the Mk20, have just come back from FreeFalcon5 using a lot of CBU97 with in cockpit alt dispersal variable.

I forgot the Mk20 is old and dumb with a 4sec from release to explosive dispersal function. In the end I had to give up on CCIP and stick with CCRP.

MK-82 plinking has been fun.

 

Shad

[MBot]

On the subject of cluster munition dispersal:

 

How does the BL755 differ from other cluster bombs? It is my understanding that the BL755 was designed to be dropped from very low level (it was the primary anti-tank weapon of the RAF Harrier force in Germany). What makes the BL755 effective at low level while the Rockeye needs altitude to disperse?

[zakobi]

On the subject of cluster munition dispersal:

 

How does the BL755 differ from other cluster bombs? It is my understanding that the BL755 was designed to be dropped from very low level (it was the primary anti-tank weapon of the RAF Harrier force in Germany). What makes the BL755 effective at low level while the Rockeye needs altitude to disperse?

 

From the good old wiki ;)

RBL755 is the BL755 weapon fitted with a radar altimeter that acts as a proximity fuze, triggering bomblet ejection at the optimum altitude whilst allowing the bomb to be released from a safe height and distance.[1][2] This was in response to the dangers illustrated by low-level Panavia Tornado missions in the 1991 Gulf War;[2] the original vane-armed BL755 had to be released at a pre-determined low altitude, with the attacking aircraft exposed to ground fire and light surface-to-air missiles.

 

Bahh... Am i right if i say i miss read the above post?

Edited May 3, 2010 by zakobi