NEXT DCS Module in progress?

[CyBerkut]

Maybe I forgot details, but why have Russians ordered Ka-50 software training if they have only dozen ka-50s and they prefer Mi-28N with Ka-52? Shouldn't be it eee hmmm "smarter" to get simulator for future national chopper than this one which is only past and is not good to do task more complicated than killing Chechen huts ?

 

Well, considering that the Ka-50 is a single seater, easily supervised simulator training becomes a bit more valuable. When you only have a few of those airframes, and they are not easily replaced, the training value increases even more.

[Boberro]

...and who said that "hut hunting" isn't important? Probably Russia plans to use it instead of letting it rot!

 

You see more and more "asymmetric warfare" in recent days. Ka-50, as it is, may see action again an again, it isn't decommissioned yet. "Older" equipment may not be so good at a modern full scale war but in asymmetric warfare technology alone won't make you prevail(see A-stan war). Today you see more use of the cannon instead of sophisticated Hellfires, you 'll see more use of a retro-fashion helis, like Ka-50, rather than state of the art F-22 or F-16CJ.

 

Problem with Ka-50 is it doesn't have any IR jammer, no RWR, real Shkval quality is bad...

 

 

 

...ect. One pilot is a bit overloaded things which he has to do during flight and combat.

 

This is why I've been a bit surprised hearing RuAF needed simulator software for this chopper.

[Peyoteros]

You must take in the accaunt, that these pictures were taken in 1980's with B/W tapes, and most likely lousy photographer... and they DO NOT represent true Shkval images. (I think these in fact are Bobs screenshots taken from the B/W video posted on Youtube)

Edited June 20, 2010 by Peyoteros

[Boberro]

I'd like to see real Shkval pictures - post it please if you have - (used in Ka-50) - some say Shkval has only 320x200 resolution, an-others something else. in BS Shkval has nice resolution - is it real?

 

You said BW pictures.... isn't Shkval black white ?

 

PS. Not mine screens, but Lulac found them, he has done good job.

Edited June 20, 2010 by Boberro

[Frederf]

The Shkval isn't 320x200 because... well it's not an LCD digital monitor, it's an analog TV. I think it's 320 interleaved scan lines compared with 480 for a standard television which is pretty good considering the screen is only some 10" size or so.

 

The point he was trying to make was that those are pictures... of a youtube video... of VHS tape recordings.... of the original Shkval video. Well I guess the recording was made of the Shkval feed directly so the IT-23 TV screen's capabilities were rather moot at the time of recording.

[Peyoteros]

I'd like to see real Shkval pictures

 

exactly my point, you havn't seen real Ka50 Shkval pictures, and yet you claim things...

 

real Shkval quality is bad...

and post some pics, which are screenshots of the poor quality video...

 

http://rutube.ru/tracks/68869.html?v=0f1fda38ed5be472723fb268c8f0415e

[Boberro]

exactly my point, you havn't seen real Ka50 Shkval pictures, and yet you claim things...

 

I didn't write only my own thinking. Possibly mistakes are made due to rare information sources about Rusian equipment.

IIRC it is said Ka-50 used Shkval from Su-25T (at least Shkval-V has been made for 25T and Ka-50), can you proove it doesn't use same model? Can you proove it has no so bad picture?

 

I don't say you can't have right. But please gimme pictures if you think that what I posted is not real Shkval used by Ka-50. (or Su-25T)

 

and post some pics, which are screenshots of the poor quality video...

 

If device is crap, video will be also ;]

[Yurgon]

OT: Did anyone notice Wags changed his signature? It now reads:

Matt Wagner

Producer, TFC/Eagle Dynamics

Asus P6T, i7 975 @ 3.33, 6 GB DDR3, GTX295, and Win7 64

HOTAS Warthog (very impressed with it)

This guy is killing me.

[Outlaw24]

Focus is all on A-10C to ensure a 2010 release.

 

Wag, I see in your signature you're using the new Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS are you using exclusively with the A-10C or have you tried it with the Ka-50, if so what's your impression.

[isoul]

Problem with Ka-50 is it doesn't have any IR jammer, no RWR, real Shkval quality is bad...

 

The lack of Radar Warning Receiver isn't a problem in asymmetric warfare where the opposition doesn't have radars (Chechens and Afghans don't use radars as far as I know).

 

The lack of IR jammer is a problem, since that kind of air-defence is most used in asymmetric warfare, but I think that the engine exhausts suppress part of the IR signature (as in many other attack helicopters), which is not a "cure" but it is a little something.

 

In general, the absence of some systems must not be judged easily. If we can find a reason to put one system on-board a heli or aircraft I am sure that it's designers could find ten more but for some reason they didn't! Such reasons,that we cannot see, are the answer to whether a system is or isn't included. Also, we are unaware of many facts and dangers that would sound exaggerating or idiotic to us but pose a potential/real danger and does not allow the usage of some systems the way we imagine.

 

The Shkval quality isn't that bad. In general most optical sensors/targeting systems used in aircrafts doesn't provide "crystal clear" images. The image usually has to be clear enough to spot/identify targets. If you check youtube about aircraft camera recordings you 'll see that no camera provides a very clear image. Apart from this, the atmospheric conditions, speed, turbulence and the range that the sensor is used in most cases will degrade the image quality no matter the capabilities of your sensor.

Edited June 21, 2010 by isoul

[Boberro]

The lack of IR jammer is a problem, since that kind of air-defence is most used in asymmetric warfare, but I think that the engine exhausts suppress part of the IR signature (as in many other attack helicopters), which is not a "cure" but it is a little something.

 

Unfortunetely without IR jammer it is really dangerous :S

 

In general, the absence of some systems must not be judged easily. If we can find a reason to put one system on-board a heli or aircraft I am sure that it's designers could find ten more but for some reason they didn't! Such

 

I have read problem was money. Lack of money.

 

reasons,that we cannot see, are the answer to whether a system is or isn't included. Also, we are unaware of many facts and dangers that would sound exaggerating or idiotic to us but pose a potential/real danger and does not allow the usage of some systems the way we imagine.

 

Honestly don't know how RWR, FLIR or IR jammer can provide danger on your own chopper (except technic problems as no space for FLIR ball or IR ball, then you can lighlty modernise chopper project if you still can, if not well... :)

 

The Shkval quality isn't that bad. In general most optical sensors/targeting systems used in aircrafts doesn't provide "crystal clear" images. The image usually has to be clear enough to spot/identify targets. If you check youtube about aircraft camera recordings you 'll see that no camera provides a very clear image. Apart from this, the atmospheric conditions, speed, turbulence and the range that the sensor is used in most cases will degrade the image quality no matter the capabilities of your sensor.

 

Keep in mind object is 2 km... how can isn't be to seen clearly? Frames cut from movies are usually worse quality than movie, but not much. Can anyone post real data of Shkval? Does it use 320x200 resolution? So far we have one movie and 2 pics (one is cut from movie it seems, second is not from movie - look at height 550, maybe it is also from that video but movie is cut). Anyway picture of Shkval is bad - get distance of 5-7-9 km.

 

In BS Shkval does look like HD picture - compared to Shkval video.

[DTWD]

Whether the Shkval is good or bad cannot be determined from those videos/pictures.

 

As has already been said, the Shkval feeds the TV screen directly (analogue, not digital, so resolution in the terms you use is not applicable), what you are seeing is a recording that's been recorded again onto VHS and then digitised and then compressed and then posted on a video sharing website where it's most likely been compressed again. That's not counting the fact that the images captured off that video have AGAIN been compressed.

 

Compression on compression, on compression (etc) (in different formats and settings) add artifacts on artificts until you see a complete mess. This is on top of the fact that the different compressions will simplify the picture in different ways until your left with blocks of blurry mess. And don't forget this came off VHS which came off video.

 

We can't comment on the quality of the source by the evidence put forward.

 

* When using the term "compression" I am of course reffering to lossy compression.

[isoul]

(Regarding the absence of RWR, IR jammer and other equipment)

 

I have read problem was money. Lack of money.

 

I don't believe that back in 1980, when Ka-50 was designed, lack of money was an issue. USSR was in possession of money and technology to put RWR on board but possibly there was another reason for not doing so. Of course in '90s, after the collapse of USSR, funding was an issue, and even if modernization would be needed, the lack of money halted any attempt.

 

Honestly don't know how RWR, FLIR or IR jammer can provide danger on your own chopper (except technic problems as no space for FLIR ball or IR ball, then you can lighlty modernise chopper project if you still can, if not well...

 

Of course Radar, RWR,FLIR or IR jammer doesn't pose a "threat" to the carrier helicopter. But there are many other reasons that would "dictate" that such equipment wouldn't be that necessary on a helicopter at the time.

 

In general there are reasons that derives from various aspects, like military doctrines and/or combat roles for example, that may affect tactics and equipment. The small fuel tanks of Mig-29A, the absence of A-A missiles(for self-protection) in attack helicopter in most armies are typical examples. These didn't happened cause of designer's "short-vision" but due to doctrines and combat role. I can keep on with some more examples and their explanation in detail but I think it will become boring.

 

On the Shkval quality I must say I agree with DTWD.

Edited June 21, 2010 by isoul

[MemphisBelle]

Call me grave digger...

 

I think that after the announced patches for the hog, as there are the 1108 and after that the compatibility patch for the Shark I suppose the next thing ED will focus on is the final development of nevada map.

 

Once nevada map has been released we might get new Information on a new module in developement...that´s my guess on it...it might be right or totally wrong...we´ll see.

 

But one thing is for sure. We´ll have a lot of fun with the Shark ond the hog in the same airspace and later same constellation on nevada map until we get new information about the following module...

 

Did I already mentioned ED rocks? :)

Edited May 27, 2011 by MemphisBelle

[Weltensegler]

Hey ED, can I sign an NDA and get the information about the the next module?

I am building a new cockpit and I want to make it hybrid with detachable modules to switch between A10 and ...F-XX.

Hope its not F16 so I can leave the stick centered :)

 

Come on I sign a lot NDAs about millions in my job... I can be silent, hehe

Edited August 28, 2011 by Weltensegler

[Cupra]

Good Question.. but there are so many people who want to know that so you are not alone. And there are many people building cockpit. Sidestick F-16 pits too :D