Will A-10C be on steam?

[Smoky]

Your wrong, i don t know when your experience was. But your are someone outdated on the subject.

Many times when my net is down i still play my steam games.

 

Wow brother, I stopped paying attention to this useless thread long ago, yet you keep calling me out over and over. Good luck to you.

 

EDIT: Removing my comments. They were aggressive and I was over-reacting to being crucified for sharing my opinion which was based on real experiences. Even though folks are personally attacking me for no reason is no excuse for stooping to the level of those doing the attacking.

 

/ignore Succellus

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/getting-on Life

Edited September 25, 2010 by Smoky

[leafer]

Do me a favor and elaborate on "how Steam interacts with an OS" and its intrusiveness.

 

Yeah. I would really like to know that too and I'm not being a smarty pants.

[Grimes]

Because optional hardware and software surveys are fascist.

 

There is only one reason why steam was created and it is still its central purpose.

 

I realize that by posting that I caused Gabe to delay Episode 3 another month.

[Avilator]

Because optional hardware and software surveys are fascist.

 

There is only one reason why steam was created and it is still its central purpose.

 

I realize that by posting that I caused Gabe to delay Episode 3 another month.

 

:megalol:

[Steel Jaw]

Do me a favor and elaborate on "how Steam interacts with an OS" and its intrusiveness.

 

 

Really??

 

Seriously??

 

You are just that _____ ?

 

Then no.

[molleh]

I love Steam and I sincerely hope that A10 will be released there.

[Guest]

Really??

 

Seriously??

 

You are just that _____ ?

 

Then no.

 

Mind treating me like an adult? I'm asking you a genuine question and I'd prefer you to answer the question in a serious, productive manner rather than making assumptions. For all I know you're just "that _____ ", whatever that means.

 

So go ahead, tell us! We're all curious as to exactly what Steam does to an operating system and its intrusive behavior.

Edited September 25, 2010 by ColumboRumble

[spaghettitime]

Again I say DRM does not defeat piracy. And Steam is bad news. It is faaaar too intrusive and not to be trusted.

 

Those who would say otherwise simply do not understand how Steam interacts with an OS.

 

Steam does not interact with an OS outside of providing updates for runtime libraries and adding game components to the registries (serial keys). However, this is a function of whatever game you happen to be installing, and to be quite frank has nothing to do with Steam itself. Other than that, it offers driver updates which are optional and streams automatic updates to games.

 

It's essentially just a large IM client with a browser that keeps your games in one convenient folder. It's fine if you have issues with it, but don't just make stuff up.

 

Really??

 

Seriously??

 

You are just that _____ ?

 

Then no.

 

Seriously. He's an avid tech and software enthusiast who has a sizable knowledge of flight simulators and has been using Steam long enough to be well aware of its pros and cons.

 

Please answer his question.

Edited September 25, 2010 by spaghettitime

[159th_Viper]

Could do with that CAP right about now.......helluva lot of Bogeys flitting about :music_whistling:

 

Seriously though - you guys were told to drop it. Just ignoring the relevant posts and intentionally sowing disrespect or an honest oversight? If the latter, peruse the thread again. Cannot be the former, right?

[spaghettitime]

Could do with that CAP right about now.......helluva lot of Bogeys flitting about :music_whistling:

 

Seriously though - you guys were told to drop it. Just ignoring the relevant posts and intentionally sowing disrespect or an honest oversight? If the latter, peruse the thread again. Cannot be the former, right?

 

Drop what? It's relevant to the thread topic. What else are we supposed to discuss?

[159th_Viper]

Drop what? It's relevant to the thread topic. What else are we supposed to discuss?

 

A question was asked by a forum member and I quote:

 

"Will A-10C be on steam?"

 

If you have anything meaningful to contribute to said question, by all means, discuss. Discussions relating to the veracity/effectiveness or otherwise of Steam as a DRM does not fall within the OP's question and as such is not relevant to the thread. I'll put it bluntly:

 

You were told to drop the DRM subject!

 

Is that so difficult to Comprehend?

[spaghettitime]

A question was asked by a forum member and I quote:

 

"Will A-10C be on steam?"

 

If you have anything meaningful to contribute to said question, by all means, discuss. Discussions relating to the veracity/effectiveness or otherwise of Steam as a DRM does not fall within the OP's question and as such is not relevant to the thread. I'll put it bluntly:

 

You were told to drop the DRM subject!

 

Is that so difficult to Comprehend?

 

I was talking about a false claim that somebody made about the platform itself, and didn't really say anything about Steam as DRM. I didn't even bring up the issue at all.

 

As I'm not a member of the DCS team, I'm not sure how you would expect me to answer the OP's question. Browsing through the thread, it seems to be more or less a general discussion about people's opinions on whether or not AC-10C should be published on Steam. I contributed to the topic in a polite fashion, so I'd say what I posted is still relevant to the thread.

[159th_Viper]

 

As I'm not a member of the DCS team, I'm not sure how you would expect me to answer the OP's question.

 

If you read the thread properly you would have noticed that the OP's question had been adequately addressed by a TFC/ED Producer, rendering any further discussion largely irrelevant, vindicated by the fact that the discussion then degenerated into a 'Steam is Good vs Steam is Bad' discussion.

 

 

....Browsing through the thread, it seems to be more or less a general discussion about people's opinions on whether or not AC-10C should be published on Steam....

 

 

Oh it stopped being civil and branched off-topic a long time ago.

 

 

 

.... I contributed to the topic in a polite fashion, so I'd say what I posted is still relevant to the thread.

 

Your response and others are perpetuating the 'Steam is Good vs Evil' debate, expressly forbidden by a moderator.

 

 

You know what, never mind. It seems that I my understanding/perception is wholly missed/not shared by the contributors to the thread. Continue on as you please ;)

[spaghettitime]

If you read the thread properly you would have noticed that the OP's question had been adequately addressed by a TFC/ED Producer, rendering any further discussion largely irrelevant

 

So close the thread? What other contributions do you expect?

 

And yes I did happen to read that. That doesn't change the fact that I am not a member of the team and can't answer the question. Or the fact that I am still being civil.

 

Your response and others are perpetuating the 'Steam is Good vs Evil' debate, expressly forbidden by a moderator.

 

Now you're contradicting yourself. Is it the DRM discussion or opinions on Steam that aren't allowed in this thread? And when did I mention either of those?

[Steel Jaw]

Mind treating me like an adult? I'm asking you a genuine question and I'd prefer you to answer the question in a serious, productive manner rather than making assumptions. For all I know you're just "that _____ ", whatever that means.

 

So go ahead, tell us! We're all curious as to exactly what Steam does to an operating system and its intrusive behavior.

 

 

I apologize for my rude response ColumboRumble.

 

I have researched Steam and retract my remarks about it operating within ring zero.

[Ifitmovesnukeit]

Regarding the topic title, it seems the only answer the question has received is a quote containing at least some information that is certainly out of date.

 

I presume, however, that it's still the best answer at this stage? I am absolutely set on buying DCS:Warthog, but only in a non-starforced version. If that version is steam then so be it- the big question for me is how simultaneously, or otherwise, the starforce/steam versions will be available at release.

[159th_Viper]

I presume, however, that it's still the best answer at this stage?

 

Until you hear different from a representative of TFC/ED or a member of the Dev team, yes.

 

 

 

.....the big question for me is how simultaneously, or otherwise, the starforce/steam versions will be available at release.

 

Starforce proactive versions at release. Thereafter, see below.

 

After a certain time period after post-release, we would investigate placing A-10C on Steam as well.

[Rebel44]

After a certain time period after post-release, we would investigate placing A-10C on Steam as well.

 

Can you tell us how long period it will be? 3 months or 5 years?

[159th_Viper]

Can you tell us how long period it will be? 3 months or 5 years?

 

Me, no. I am however sure that when A10C is formally released a representative of TFC/ED will be able to adequately address your question.

 

As for the '5 years' quip, a wee bit of advice: Nobody likes a smarta$$ ;)

[Rebel44]

Me, no. I am however sure that when A10C is formally released a representative of TFC/ED will be able to adequately address your question.

 

As for the '5 years' quip, a wee bit of advice: Nobody likes a smarta$$ ;)

 

Thx, for answer.

 

:) while I was sarcastic, it wouldnt be first time for something like that to happen (I know of games which were promised to be on Steam several years ago and its still not there).

[159th_Viper]

 

:) while I was sarcastic, it wouldnt be first time for something like that to happen (I know of games which were promised to be on Steam several years ago and its still not there).

 

Aye - I hear you.

 

Having regard to the adage 'Look to the past to predict the future' we can probably assume that, should all go well, it will be somewhat the same as with Black Shark.

[Kalli]

Smokey, I fully concur with you and your comments as posted – I am having similar experiences and learning a great deal about Valve & Steam at the moment

 

Had to come back and address this post...

 

-Every Steam game I have is 100% integrated into Steam. COD MW2. All Simbin Games. Arma. From my perspective, the scenery looks the exact opposite as what you describe it "less than 2%". 100% of the Steam games I play are all Steam. No stand alone component. And each of them started as stand alone and became worse games when Steam assimilated them.

 

-I went round and round with both Steam and Infinity Ward about the issues I had. I gave each of their groups weeks of my time and patience. They both spent half their efforts blaming each other. And the other half going through the "I don't know how to solve a tech support problem" book for Tier 1 support specialists. So please don't lecture me on "blaming Steam". They are both responsible and accountable for working on their functional relationship in order to provide quality customer service. And with the money we pay for games we should not settle for anything less.

 

-You say that version management is a non-issue but riddle me this...if the versions get out of sync then multiplayer compatibility and stability suffers, if allowed at all in that situation (which it is not). So the tools you mention to manage versioning are not sufficiently addressing the problems.

 

-And to be clear, I have no issue with downloadable content. I love Direct2Drive. What I am against is Steam's totalitarian approach to how WE manage our content.

 

 

So please remember, it's about perspective and experience. I have experienced all the pain Steam can dish out. And when I saw even the hint of a suggestion that ED go with Steam my heart dropped into my stomach. I actually felt nauseated at the idea. I'm only trying to save everyone here from experiencing the frustration and wasted effort that I have.

 

If Steam hasn't bitten you yet, Great! But the clock is ticking and your time will come.

 

To be honest, I was shocked to hear the support for Steam here. In my online racing and first person shooting communities, Steam is a vocally hated service and long discussed topic.

 

 

I also love how I am branded a "hater" because I am honest about real experiences. That's not how the term is meant to be used. A "hater" is someone who just dumps on any and everything, for sport, with no logic or fact driving the decision. But if it makes you feel better about yourself to label and insult me like that, then so be it. That's not how I like to treat people.

[Fish]

Like it or not. It's the perfect delivery mechanism for games. Niche games like DCS need the promotional facilities and existing user base to help sales. And more units sold is good for ED, and good for us the community. In terms of quality it continues to improve, but requires developers to integrate also.

 

ED would be very foolish not to consider it as a channel to market

Edited November 25, 2010 by Fish