Will A-10C be on steam?

[Feuerfalke]

I actually like Steam. It's uncomplicated, fast in downloading and installing patches automatically, even offering automatic mod and editor installations for games you have or are interested in. I also got a lot of indie-games this way.

 

I use Steam for years now - never had a problem with it - even in the 6 months without an internet connection. Just switch to offline mode and there you go.

 

I have a hard time understanding all the complaining about Steam, especially as most of the complains are superficial issues like being forced to stay online and steams monopoly position or similar, which are mostly based on user errors or hear-say.

[digital_steve]

The only steam complaint is that i had to pay twice.

I demand some lovin' for compensation... who's gonna grease up?

[Steel Jaw]

Try and force me to allow fecking steam on my pc and NO SALE.

 

Use the BS method, it works. Dont try and FOXTROT with my pc.

[Steel Jaw]

I have a hard time understanding all the complaining about Steam

 

 

Sorry but give your head a shake then.

 

Instrusive DRM is a no go.

 

I will buy a license to play a game. I will not allow it to force me to install a DRM that looks for or does Gawd only knows what.

[digital_steve]

The CIA are watching you too... quick, close the shutters!

[Ali Fish]

Sorry but give your head a shake then.

 

Instrusive DRM is a no go.

 

I will buy a license to play a game. I will not allow it to force me to install a DRM that looks for or does Gawd only knows what.

 

I find this un nesessary response quite rude in many respects given mower's admitted lack of understanding. Someone is going to have to create a website or something dealing with DRM myths.

 

Its very noticable who, Has & Hasn't,Does & Doesn't & who Is and Isnt prepared to use steam. but heres the key or the fix. Try it and see for yourself. and all will make sense. You are allowed to say you dont want it or like it. but really you can only say that once you have the full facts about what it is and isnt. i wish people would take intelligence and knowledge seriously.

 

I cringe when i see all these posts about steam. i cringe when anything gets discussed without the proper knowledge, intelligence and understanding. Dont people realise that between us all the one main thing we have in common is that its our duty to use and fill our brains with this stuff. The Good Stuff ! And not infact demonstrate our lack of it based upon how you want make your POV.

Edited July 28, 2010 by Ali Fish

[71st_Mastiff]

Well some people are pretty miffed when they had hard drive and DVD cd rom failures because of DRM issues I think it was 6 years ago..Starforce's tool went rampage on some peoples system. And the company didnt pay for there fault.

 

So understandly so. They have a right to talk $4it about DRM.

 

I find this un nesessary response quite rude in many respects given mower's admitted lack of understanding. Someone is going to have to create a website or something dealing with DRM myths.

 

Its very noticable who, Has & Hasn't,Does & Doesn't & who Is and Isnt prepared to use steam. but heres the key or the fix. Try it and see for yourself. and all will make sense. You are allowed to say you dont want it or like it. but really you can only say that once you have the full facts about what it is and isnt. i wish people would take intelligence and knowledge seriously.

 

I cringe when i see all these posts about steam. i cringe when anything gets discussed without the proper knowledge, intelligence and understanding. Dont people realise that between us all the one main thing we have in common is that its our duty to use and fill our brains with this stuff. The Good Stuff ! And not infact demonstrate our lack of it based upon how you want make your POV.

[RSharpe]

Unlike Starforce, Steam's DRM is not intrusive, and it doesn't break things. At least I haven't had any problems in the 4 years I've been using it. Downloading at 1.5 MB/s and having the thing keep your games up to date with the most recent patches (if you want to) is also great.

 

It's also nice that every time I reinstall my system, I don't have to run around looking for discs. The worst thing about Steam are games that require a second layer of DRM with limited activations and deactivations (Starforce). What's the point of that?!

[71st_Mastiff]

I here ya I'm for DRM as I never had the issues, the ones complaining. :thumbup:

[Peyoteros]

A-10C still uses steam engines? Thats explains why it can't do MAX1+. So, it's a boiler attached to the exhaust pipe?

[71st_Mastiff]

lol ^

[Steel Jaw]

I find this un nesessary response quite rude in many respects given mower's admitted lack of understanding. Someone is going to have to create a website or something dealing with DRM myths.

 

Its very noticable who, Has & Hasn't,Does & Doesn't & who Is and Isnt prepared to use steam. but heres the key or the fix. Try it and see for yourself. and all will make sense. You are allowed to say you dont want it or like it. but really you can only say that once you have the full facts about what it is and isnt. i wish people would take intelligence and knowledge seriously.

 

I cringe when i see all these posts about steam. i cringe when anything gets discussed without the proper knowledge, intelligence and understanding. Dont people realise that between us all the one main thing we have in common is that its our duty to use and fill our brains with this stuff. The Good Stuff ! And not infact demonstrate our lack of it based upon how you want make your POV.

 

Maybe I am rude, maybe not. Let's have a poll. JK.

 

I have had steam on my pcs over the years among other DRM schemes.

 

And what "admitted lack of understanding" are you referring to?

 

DRM by its very nature injects itself into the OS in intrusive ways. It has to in ordered to function. PERIOD. And off and on, DRM has an attrocious track record. It's also a fact that DRM has affected different pcs in many ways, there has been no consintency though much of it has been adverse.

 

Now you want to debate which DRM is "better"? Carry on. Count me out.

 

;)

[Ali Fish]

well in respect to pretty much any DRM, you only hear the horror stories. I think were talking specific here too, we are reffering to Steam and or starforce. now steam is no more intrusive than any other system designed to do what it does. steam DCS products will be void of DRM effectivly. well certainly starforce. this leaves DCS series using whatever DRM steam incorporates within it. if you choose that format ofcourse. regards your (imo) admitted lack of understanding i was refering to the Gawd knows what it'll do comment. Personally i understand your pov on DRM as a whole, but what is the problem with steam ? its practically 10 years old, a tried and tested succesfull platform. there is nothing malicious going on with Steam DRM.

 

just to point out in your recent posts you say you are accepting starforce and to deliver DCS:a10 like BS was, and now your saying youve had steam on your pc before. yet your so against DRM. Its this what i dont understand tbh. and BTW ED have stated there will be the option. so the whole argument is mute since you dont mind starforce which is what DCS will presumably have in the future bar the steam version.

Edited July 29, 2010 by Ali Fish

[Steel Jaw]

Well the starforce in use for BS is a "lite" version which doe snot install itlself as a driver. I can live with that so far.

 

But what is factual is that DRM does not prevent piracy, it only deters the slow witted. And many folks who oppose DRM will purchase the game, a license if you will, then acquire a pirated version stripped of DRM. DRM is like a burgler alarm in your house: if someone wants in they're getting in, alarm or not.

[Smoky]

I came back to visit the thread and see what happened. Wow! haha

 

 

At least it looks like we all agree that Steam is junk and should not be adopted.

 

To any new readers just not hitting the thread, don't bother reading the old pages. Summary: Steam sucks!

 

:D:D:D:D:D:megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup::megalol::megalol::megalol:

 

(duckin and dodgin :thumbup:)

[GGTharos]

Oh FFS guys, back on topic. Like, now.

 

Want to discuss de/merits of DRM? Please start a dedicated thread and put it all there. None out here. ;)

[Grimes]

Oye vey.

 

100% Steam required games (aka, if you buy the game from any location you have to run steam to play it) = all Valve games and at most a couple dozen other games

 

Games that are available on steam and other stores that DONT require steam (unless of course if you bought it ON steam, in which case if you complain that steam needs to be running in order to play it, you are an idiot and could be up for a Darwin Award some day) = approx 2400 games including DCS Black Shark and likely other DCS branded games in the future.

 

All arguments that Steam is the devil and it sucks the soul of your PC dry are invalid as DCS is available on the free market. It is not "exclusive" to Steam and can readily be bought digitally or physically from multiple sources without the requirement of running Steam. I doubt Eagle Dynamics will integrate it heavily into Steam to the point it is required in order to play the game.

 

If you don't like Steam you don't have to buy DCS games on it, so why continue to complain when its a non-issue?

[H-street]

It really is unfortunate BS and (and soon to be A10) isn't available on Steam. It really is a great platform. I've been PC gaming for a long time and the last time i felt something this great came out for PC gaming was 3dfx Voodoo1.

 

I mean if you think about it Steam has provided a platform where different developers can be seperate and distinct but for the end user all their games can be unified.

Install Media? out the window.

Seperate download locations? Gone.

Having to worry about lost CD-Keys? a thing of the past.

Searching for elusive patches? Automatic

Unable to backup your game cds? taken care of, steam you can archive all your games install data so even re-downloading isn't a problem.

 

You don't even have to be connected to the internet for steam to work, i run it on my laptop in offline mode almost exclusively.

 

Now take something like BS and integrate that with Steams Cloud feature. Now we are talking about having your Pilot data follow you to every PC, when re-isntalling or anything like that you don't have to worry about backing up your pilot or stats information.

 

Infact i will even launch all my games from within Steam (my non-steam games) just to use the integrate Shift-Tab features (Chat with friends etc..)

 

For eagle dynamics it just doesn't make sense they don't want to go with steam, the amount of exposure steam has gotten in the last year has been amazing.add on to that you instantly put your game in front of 25million users and its hard to ignore that financially it just makes sense.

 

not to mention if BS sold for steam weekend sale, it would probably double the community BS overnight. (ED would probably sale the same number of copies they have sold to date in 1 weekend on a steam weekend sale)

 

the only people i can see who wouldn't support steam are those users on dialup or even slow dsl (we are talking 256k dsl).

 

Other than that steam has been a great platform that has really rejuvinated the PC gaming scene. I really hope that ED changes their view on this. It would add a lot of longevity to their product while giving, us the end user a great benefit and platform.

[jj_pt]

H-street, Black Shark is available on Steam. :D

[sobek]

It really is unfortunate BS and (and soon to be A10) isn't available on Steam.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=55848

 

;)

 

Edit: Sniped

[Sherlock]

No NO no NO no NO no NO!!! No Steam ever!

 

Steam is single handedly ruining the PC gaming market:

-games release late

-updates are inconsistent

-inability to perform manual version management is troublesome

-if steam goes down you cannot play the game you paid for!!!!

-if there is a problem with multiplayer, steam will never care. And the developer can blame steam.

 

 

Down with Steam!! They are the WORST thing to happen to PC gaming, EVER!!!

 

 

Just my 0.02

 

I love steam. Best thing ever. I've had trouble with it only a handful of times.

[Steel Jaw]

Again I say: DRM does not prevent piracy.

[GGTharos]

Again I say: DRM discussions belong in their own thread!

[Nate--IRL--]

Edit - OK GG. ignore below

 

 

Again I say: DRM does not prevent piracy.

 

True, but do you not think it may reduce it?

 

Nate

[Svetlano]

I want Flaming Cliffs on Steam now(please solve the Ubi problem and release the platinum on Steam ASAP) As after a format i have still to do all the process with the stupid old lomack box, and at the moment i lack the time to do that . Absolutely the A-10 on Steam too., haters should consider that personal computers need to be formatted often.

Countless times i lost games boxex, patches, and i spent HOURS to go after patches and really i hate it. STEAM PLEASE !