another nail in the coffin of the sim industry

[joey45]

the extra power is on take-off IIRC.

[LIONPRIDE]

I put my system back to 1680x1050 and now it runs at 20-32 fps

plus I can read the instruments and the hud now

much better :-)

 

:lol:

 

 

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:joystick: - why won't my crappy PC run this sim on 1920X1200 ! !! RAGE !

 

 

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You've convinced me to uninstall - Thank You - Back to Longbow 2

 

LP-out-

 

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[astrospud]

And, as far as I am aware, they cannot goto max power, they are limited in the amount of power they apply simply because the engines are too powerful for the gearbox, or some other part of the helo.

 

So although it has more powerful engines, the extra power goes unused.

 

Whether that has changed I do not know, but in Ed macy's book if I recall, he mentions the fact that they are limited in the amount of power they apply because of the damage that can be caused because of it.

 

"Hellfire" is the book I've read (I think on Page 5 you refer to this, BF), and the AW variant has about 40% more power (Rolls Royce) than the Boeing- installed GE power plant. This is, of course out of Macy's book and, as stated subject to upgrade. But I'd go with the view from man on the stick! :D

[Speed]

I bet you'd be wondering why that laser warning is coming from above... :D

 

I'm referencing a friendly contest between Ka-50s and A-10s on the same team seeing who will kill more targets faster. Gonna be dependent alot on how close the FARP is to the action, obviously.

 

Actually one of the things I'm looking forward to most is sending coordinates from the PVI-800 up to A-10s overhead (spoken, over teamspeak). The Ka-50 is a near perfect FAC (just needs FLIR), and the Ka-50 could just sit at long range finding targets for A-10s orbitting at 25k. Particpating aircraft would be nearly immune to ground fire, Ka-50s by their distance and A-10s by their altitude. A real hilarious thing I can see happening so some Ka-50 giving the A-10s coordinates for a CBU attack and leaving that one switch in the "Update" rather than "INU" position (so the coordinates given would be the coordinates of the Ka-50 :lol:)

[moonbeast]

Another nail in the coffin for the sim industry !!!!!

 

I don't think so, ED are doing a great job with their in-depth sims and I feel that they are reviving the sim industry !

 

The golden era of flight sims were in the 90's and I would like to think (thanks to ED) that that era is coming back !! otherwise if it wasn't for ED we wouldn't have decent sims such as Black Shark and the upcoming A10C (drooling at the thought of it) and whatever else ED decides to produce I will buy regardless as to support the company, put money in their bank account and hopefully one day have a F/A18 lol !!!!!

[moonbeast]

the physics and flight model in this simulator are not realistic at all

 

hard to fly - yes

realistic - no

 

in fact this helicopter feels like a paper bag

 

even at 200 kph it rocks and jumps about as if there is no airflow outside at all - look at it in outside view!

 

its as if the mass has been set to 500 kg instead of 10,000 kg

 

taking off often results in a 720 degree spin - if you watch the outside view you can see the broken contact physics between the wheels and the ground

where did all the torque come from? it is contra-rotating fcs!

 

this is no fun - there are some great simulation ideas here - but the overall package is just a paper bag full of bugs

 

unless you are flying with the autopilot in either route or hover mode

this feels like a robinson r22 full of helium

 

combined with never ending short comings in the software design itself:

- limited control mapping options

- bad window management

- constant minor glitches

- inconsistent and incomplete and badly designed documentation

 

the idea is ok - the execution lacking - another nail in the coffin of the sim industry

 

 

Chromewasp, what experience do you have at flying outside of a simulation ?

[Squid_DK]

And, as far as I am aware, they cannot goto max power, they are limited in the amount of power they apply simply because the engines are too powerful for the gearbox, or some other part of the helo.

 

So although it has more powerful engines, the extra power goes unused.

 

Whether that has changed I do not know, but in Ed macy's book if I recall, he mentions the fact that they are limited in the amount of power they apply because of the damage that can be caused because of it.

 

The risk of damaging the engines in Ed Macy's book in from over torque, and he states at least 20% power advantage over the AH-64D.

 

Staffan

[andysim]

Another nail in the coffin for the sim industry !!!!!

 

I don't think so, ED are doing a great job with their in-depth sims and I feel that they are reviving the sim industry !

 

The golden era of flight sims were in the 90's and I would like to think (thanks to ED) that that era is coming back !! otherwise if it wasn't for ED we wouldn't have decent sims such as Black Shark and the upcoming A10C (drooling at the thought of it) and whatever else ED decides to produce I will buy regardless as to support the company, put money in their bank account and hopefully one day have a F/A18 lol !!!!!

 

 

Dont forget the VRS F/A 18. Although you cant blow stuff up you can set up SAM sites that you can kill/be killed by. I Fly DCS Ka50 and the F/A-18 only untill the Warthog comes. Nothing else comes close.

[moonbeast]

Yeah would be great if ED did an F/A18 currently have Janes big box version plus I have ordered a ring binder manual for it from the states from amazon.com now to get the thing loaded and working on my PC

 

LP, so I have heard from some fat bloke in the pub are making an F/A18 sim ! also they are supposed to making afull 3d cockpit for F4AF too as stated somewhere on their website ! :)

 

Anyway can't wait till DCS A10C comes out and will be buying the Hotas Warthog setup (I already have the F16 one) and who knows what ED will bring out after that ?

[Speed]

Dont forget the VRS F/A 18. Although you cant blow stuff up you can set up SAM sites that you can kill/be killed by. I Fly DCS Ka50 and the F/A-18 only untill the Warthog comes. Nothing else comes close.

 

Man, I'd rather fly a sim of a "cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong" than an F-18 sim where you can't blow stuff up! :(

[Prophet]

HAHA!

[bumfire]

The risk of damaging the engines in Ed Macy's book in from over torque, and he states at least 20% power advantage over the AH-64D.

 

Staffan

 

 

Yea, I couldnt exactly recall the exact part of the helo that would suffer due to the increased power, I thought it was the gearbox but wasnt exactly sure.

 

I knew the increased engine power could cause problems, but what exactly, eluded me as its been a year or two since I read Apache.

[GGTharos]

Yep, that could work quite nicely.

 

As for a contest, I don't know ... there is the potential for the A-10C to kill things a lot faster, but no guarantees.

 

I'm referencing a friendly contest between Ka-50s and A-10s on the same team seeing who will kill more targets faster. Gonna be dependent alot on how close the FARP is to the action, obviously.

 

Actually one of the things I'm looking forward to most is sending coordinates from the PVI-800 up to A-10s overhead (spoken, over teamspeak). The Ka-50 is a near perfect FAC (just needs FLIR), and the Ka-50 could just sit at long range finding targets for A-10s orbitting at 25k. Particpating aircraft would be nearly immune to ground fire, Ka-50s by their distance and A-10s by their altitude. A real hilarious thing I can see happening so some Ka-50 giving the A-10s coordinates for a CBU attack and leaving that one switch in the "Update" rather than "INU" position (so the coordinates given would be the coordinates of the Ka-50 :lol:)

[EtherealN]

Yeah, do recall that the A10C has fire-and-forget missiles. Fly to within 6nm of target, release 6 mavericks on threats, overfly and release JDAMs on heavy stuff, then mop up with the GAU-8.

 

It all depends a lot on what the target area looks like.

[MTFDarkEagle]

Interesting where this has gone to.. It started with a guy taking down the ka-50 (see the first 20-somewhat pages), and now it's about A-10C ground-attack tactics.. lol :P

[ChromeWasp]

Chromewasp, what experience do you have at flying outside of a simulation ?

 

competition racing and aerobatic glider pilot

plus more than half way through PPL for light aircraft

plus been in and controlled a handful of different light aircraft

some on cross-european trips

 

only been passenger in helicopters a few times

but had a couple of minutes on the controls of a jetranger once

 

of course i have never commanded anything weighing > 10,000 kg

[Steel Jaw]

Man, I'd rather fly a sim of a "cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong" than an F-18 sim where you can't blow stuff up! :(

 

Concurr 1000%, what a stupid waste of time. ;)

[Scooternutz]

Concurr 1000%, what a stupid waste of time. ;)

 

You gotta be referring to VRS F-18. I have it and it is awesome but what is the point when you can't do what we do? I flew it around and I was thinking to myself, "Self, why didn't VRS just go all the way with a full up round naval combat flight sim?"

 

DCS don't let me down. Bring a carrier combat AC please in a few years.

[Steel Jaw]

From what I have seen the only misguided people praising the LAME VRS hornet are those who don't combat sim to begin with and know sh*t.

[GGTharos]

I find that an unfair statement, Mower. There is more to flight than combat. In fact, combat is something that fighter pilots train a lot for, but do the least of in RL.

 

Simply having an accurately modeled plane to fly is a very nice thing. I prefer also being able to do combat, but there's nothing wrong with skipping it, either.

 

We certainly do our best to be capable of general aviation in the 44th, even if it is just with FC2.

 

From what I have seen the only misguided people praising the LAME VRS hornet are those who don't combat sim to begin with and know sh*t.

[SNAFU]

My assessment. Keeping in mind I call it the way I see it.

 

BS is an excellent study sim of a crappy helo.

 

The Ka50 is an old analogue platform, with no radar, no IR/FLIR and an axis mounted canon with a blind side to the left.

 

It is not master of the battlefield. It's just another weapons platform and it has to expose itself to deploy its weapons.Opponents on the ground do not quake in fear in its presence. They take aim.

 

That's why I gave up flying it.

Ànd that´s exactly why I love this helo. It is not the über-buba-kill-it-all-with-the-bravery-of-being-out-of-range-machine. :pilotfly:

 

Technically I cannot think of any other flying machine more suitable for a study sim, which is technically as fascinating as the Kamov, ok thats from the engineering point of view.

 

And I would always prefer a decent DCS:UH-1, Mi-8, MiG-21 or DCS:F-5 Tiger simulation upon a DCS:Apache, Eurocopter, Typhoon, F-16, F-22(, ok, I wouldn´t mind MiG-29 or F/A-18, because they are just sexy planes, and the early versions not packed with computers, overriding the human errors afaik.)

 

Sorry had to drop in a line here off topic, but just couldn´t resist and please ED to stay with middle 80`s or 70`s flying crafts... :smilewink:

[jj7373]

+1

can't agree more

 

Ànd that´s exactly why I love this helo. It is not the über-buba-kill-it-all-with-the-bravery-of-being-out-of-range-machine. :pilotfly:

 

Technically I cannot think of any other flying machine more suitable for a study sim, which is technically as fascinating as the Kamov, ok thats from the engineering point of view.

 

And I would always prefer a decent DCS:UH-1, Mi-8, MiG-21 or DCS:F-5 Tiger simulation upon a DCS:Apache, Eurocopter, Typhoon, F-16, F-22(, ok, I wouldn´t mind MiG-29 or F/A-18, because they are just sexy planes, and the early versions not packed with computers, overriding the human errors afaik.)

 

Sorry had to drop in a line here off topic, but just couldn´t resist and please ED to stay with middle 80`s or 70`s flying crafts... :smilewink:

[Steel Jaw]

Ànd that´s exactly why I love this helo. It is not the über-buba-kill-it-all-with-the-bravery-of-being-out-of-range-machine.

 

A curious point that I had not considered, almost might say it's more sporting...? ;)

[ChromeWasp]

I think it is a very interesting helicopter

but it is a very heavy and powerful

 

I would also like to experience a smaller lighter helicopter in an urban environment

eg a (weaponized) LAPD police or medivac helicopter simulator

flying between buildings is no joke!

 

I read the EC-335 autopilot is designed to handle autohover near buildings (it can overcome the turbulence from its own mainrotor) which is why the police like it

 

also very fond of orbiting targets - trying to combine trimmed bank ap mode with Turn-to-target to achieve that semi-automatically is coming along slowly ...

[GGTharos]

Have you tried the funnel?