Fox calls?

[dooom]

Tyring to find clarity on what fox calls apply to which Russian missiles.

 

Can someone provide clarity?

 

Is it:

 

Fox 1 - R27ER/EM R73

Fox 2 - R27ET R77

 

What about rockets? do they demand a fox call?

 

Any direction to a resource is appreciated.

 

Thanks!!

[Exorcet]

Fox is a NATO brevity code, so it wouldn't be used with Russian weapons (except maybe Germany?)

 

In any case:

 

Fox 1 - SARH (R-27R, R-27ER, R-33)

Fox 2 - IR (R-60, R-73, R-27T, R-27ET)

Fox 3 - ARH (R-77)

[dooom]

are they used with rockets? or bombs?

[dooom]

OK - i found a resource for those whom need it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brevity_code

[Eddie]

There are plenty of brevity guides out there, but to get you started here is the US multiservice brevity guide.

 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4205899/Brevity%20Codes.pdf

 

And yes, every weapon type has a brevity call, for example Rifle for an ATGM or paveway for an LGB.

Edited August 20, 2010 by Eddie

[too-cool]

I've seen somewhere on a forum I think this one a (pdf) for FC2 that list all the Brevity/Acronyms used in Lock-on FC2 (game) but can't remember where I saw this at. Anyone out there have any Idea where this information my be located? Thanks TC

Edited August 20, 2010 by too-cool
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[Grimes]

Fox 5 ... BOOMERANG!

 

Really a fox 3 shot but within optimum parameters to piss off your opponent the most.

[shu77]

I stuck a list of brevity codes up a couple days ago for the F-15 and also the RWR symbology and a map. My copy lives on the wall behind my monitor to help when flying on line /endplug :)

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=56312

[VTJS17_Fire]

For rockets = "ripple"

For two ARH on one target = "Fox 6"

 

For LDGP bombs, you can use "bombs off" or "bombs dropped".

 

 

kind regards,

Fire

[Tucano_uy]

I understand that the Fox/pickle/guns-guns-guns callouts are to inform other pilots/controller that you've launched a missile, drop a bomb or fired your guns.

 

But what are the tactical implications or needs for such calls? Is there anything else beyond the obvious "watch out, missile on the way?"

[dooom]

I understand that the Fox/pickle/guns-guns-guns callouts are to inform other pilots/controller that you've launched a missile, drop a bomb or fired your guns.

 

But what are the tactical implications or needs for such calls? Is there anything else beyond the obvious "watch out, missile on the way?"

 

I'm pretty sure thats it.

 

If I hear Fox two from my su33 wingman, I know to be sure i am NOT in front of him or about to cut in that way.

[RIPTIDE]

"Shotgun" for HARM/Anti Rad missile.

[Teknetinium]

Russians say just LUNCH. no 1 2 or 3 just lunch, PUSK

Edited August 21, 2010 by Teknetinium

[Mustang]

Russians say just LUNCH. no 1 2 or 3 just lunch, PUSK

 

LUNCH? hehe, guess their missiles must be hungry :)

 

"Shotgun" for HARM/Anti Rad missile.

 

it's MAGNUM for ARM shots

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM

 

"Magnum" is spoken over the radio to announce the launch of an AGM-88"

Edited August 21, 2010 by Mustang

[Sov13t]

An example of two missile launch on a target by a Russian pilot:

 

Пуск Первой - Pusk Pervoi - Launched First

Пуск Второй - Pusk Vtoroi - Launched Second

 

Only the order of the missile is specified. Type of the missile is solely left for the pilot to decide.

 

After the target has been destroyed the pilot reports the amount of missiles used:

 

Отработал двумя - Otrabotal Dvumya - Finished work with two

 

Bomb away call:

 

Сброс - Sbros - Drop

 

General weapons deployment (this can be anything from A2A engagement call to Guns on a ground target):

 

Работаю по цели - Rabotayu po tseli - Working on target

 

There are a few variations of the above examples, I provided the most common ones.

 

The Russian brevity is very interesting in contrast to English. One of my favorite subjects.

[UWBuRn]

"Shotgun" for HARM/Anti Rad missile.

Shotgun is for unguided rockets. ;)

[RipKirby]

Not to stray off topic too much, this is related:

 

SPLASH 1: (A/A) Target destroyed.

SPLASH 2: (A/G) Weapons impact.

 

What is the code for missed target? For counting numbers of bandits killed?

Edited August 21, 2010 by RipKirby

[Krippz]

Fox is a NATO brevity code, so it wouldn't be used with Russian weapons (except maybe Germany?)

 

In any case:

 

Fox 1 - SARH (R-27R, R-27ER, R-33)

Fox 2 - IR (R-60, R-73, R-27T, R-27ET)

Fox 3 - ARH (R-77)

 

 

To add to that:

 

Fox 4 - Guns

[Kuky]

Guns is just guns ;) for rockets/guided A2G weapons it's rifle... for ARM missile its Magnum.... Fox 4 is long range heater (ET)... but then again different AF use different brevity

[Krippz]

Well Fox 4 is "simulated fire by a bombardier" however it can be used as a supplemental guns call. But you are correct diffrent AF's use diffrent brevity.

[VTJS17_Fire]

Search for AFTTP 3-1.1 ... that's the U.S. AF and NATO Brevity Code.

 

Fox: A/A weapons employment.

Guns: An air-to-air or air-to-surface gunshot.

Rifle: Friendly air-to-surface missile launch.

 

NOTE: A rocket isn't a missile. And today, there is no Fox 4.

 

 

kind regards,

Fire

[RIPTIDE]

LUNCH? hehe, guess their missiles must be hungry :)

 

 

 

it's MAGNUM for ARM shots

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM

 

"Magnum" is spoken over the radio to announce the launch of an AGM-88"

Mae Culpa. Damn, getting all mixed up I am. :thumbup:

[UWBuRn]

An example of two missile launch on a target by a Russian pilot:

 

Пуск Первой - Pusk Pervoi - Launched First

Пуск Второй - Pusk Vtoroi - Launched Second

 

Only the order of the missile is specified. Type of the missile is solely left for the pilot to decide.

 

After the target has been destroyed the pilot reports the amount of missiles used:

 

Отработал двумя - Otrabotal Dvumya - Finished work with two

 

Bomb away call:

 

Сброс - Sbros - Drop

 

General weapons deployment (this can be anything from A2A engagement call to Guns on a ground target):

 

Работаю по цели - Rabotayu po tseli - Working on target

 

There are a few variations of the above examples, I provided the most common ones.

 

The Russian brevity is very interesting in contrast to English. One of my favorite subjects.

Interesting subject. Do you have other calls also?

[Tucano_uy]

I'm pretty sure thats it.

 

If I hear Fox two from my su33 wingman, I know to be sure i am NOT in front of him or about to cut in that way.

 

But if that's the only reason, it would be enough to announce that you'r e lauching/shooting/dropping, no need to specify what you are engaging with (Russian style, as we've just learnt). RWR warnings maybe? Debrief in case one of the pilots is not available anymore (MIA/KIA)?

 

A bit off topic, do semi active missile launches interfere each other? example: Lead and wigman have both stt locks on different targets and both launch AIM-7. Won't the STT radar returns interfere each other and confuse the missiles? If that's true, then there is a reason to avoid stt or launch 2 semiactives simultaneously and therefore announce that you've launched. I'm asking IRL, not sim.

[S77th-konkussion]

Not to stray off topic too much, this is related:

 

 

What is the code for missed target?

 

 

 

Code: sumbi**ch! :D

Edited August 23, 2010 by S77th-konkussion