If you mastered DCS A-10C, could you hop into the real thing, run it up, and fly it?

[Avilator]

None whatsoever.

 

:( Aw, Darn it. Guess we can't sip a cold drink while the plane flies us to the target area.:D

[GGTharos]

Of course it does :)

 

This is an in-depth simulation.

 

does the double trigger hold work? Like first depression is steady the jet, second depression fires? Does this function in DCS A-10C

[GGTharos]

What's the matter, path hold not good enough for you with having to make a turn every 5 min? ;)

 

:( Aw, Darn it. Guess we can't sip a cold drink while the plane flies us to the target area.:D

[Avilator]

What's the matter, path hold not good enough for you with having to make a turn every 5 min? ;)

 

NYET! I wants automatic! Then it has to shoot targets for me!:megalol:

[Eddie]

:( Aw, Darn it. Guess we can't sip a cold drink while the plane flies us to the target area.:D

 

You can do that over the target area, just start a slow banking turn stick it into ALT hold mode and it'll hold you in a nice orbit around the target area while you sit and wait for trade/drink beer/pleasure yourself. :pilotfly:

[159th_Viper]

NYET! I wants automatic! Then it has to shoot targets for me!:megalol:

 

Oh but it does........Saunter in at angels 25, drop an armful of JDAM's, Split-S, run and watch the fireworks in the MFCD whilst sipping on a cocktail! It's all about the prep :D

[Avilator]

Oh but it does........Saunter in at angels 25, drop an armful of JDAM's, Split-S, run and watch the fireworks in the MFCD whilst sipping on a cocktail! It's all about the prep :D

 

Duh, I was forgetting about that. How could I especially after watching "JDAM Blues":doh::D

[Deadman]

Get a fast mover then and let the Hawg to move mud the old fashion way :pilotfly:

 

NYET! I wants automatic! Then it has to shoot targets for me!:megalol:

[Avilator]

Get a fast mover then and let the Hawg to move mud the old fashion way :pilotfly:

 

All joking aside I'm really looking forward to flying the thing. I am a pilot above all, that's why I bought into the DCS series, for the flying. Also, if I didn't like it, I wouldn't be building a simpit of it.:pilotfly:

[Succellus]

I think you need to research how many years it takes for a pilot to solo. (only way to fly the A-10C) How may hours of flight in trainer aircraft ,how many hours in simulators,How many hours of class time.Then factor the oh sh@t factor of climbing in to a real combat aircraft to take off.

 

Realistically no amount of flight time will get you ready to Fly the real A-10C. You not getting professional quality training from the simulator

 

I bet my life this aint that hard, you ll get some holes, but nothing you couldn t fix in 1 month of training.

I have a friend who is Marine (Brazil) and was applying to be in the first carrier squadron (latter canceled).

He was doing solo flight in month 2, and basic formation in 3 week of the 2 month, on a T23. Absolute 0 experience before applying to the course, never simmed, NOTHING!

I was baffled, but he brought pictures, movies, brought military grade programs, showed the course program...and i wen tto his pilot graduation ceremony.

 

He wasn t alone, ALL the applying cadet (around 20) not just one gifted guy.

 

Pilots and some others people love to make people think flying is complicated. Bullshit. Flying is easy, not as easy as driving a car, but even 10 year old can drive a car as long he can reach the pedals and see above the control panel.

 

British training for WW2 at certain point was 2 weeks before being sent to combat in a spit.

 

Look at the guy that barely trained in FS and robbed some planes, wasn t able to land properly but he never entered any damn non gamish simulator, and didn t die either.

Look at the terrorist 9/11, they trained what 3 or 5 hours ? can t remember, and were able to hit intended buildings.

 

i doubt the warthog or any military plane require as much as 1 years to do the basic, everything get each time more automated to reduce pilot workload.

 

I ve been on military grade simulators (f16 block 50, Mirage 2000-5(dubbed mirage 2000 BR at the time), Grippen, i wasn t able to get to the typhoon sim (too much military pilots licking it) and sincerely i was deceived, i tought it would be much more harder... asside from the fact that a lot of cadets that were there, had less combat idea than me, mere mediocre simmer, I did some guns doghfight, launched some FOX with instructor help showing the proper buttons, was even able to land on 2 simulators, many aborts, 1 rought landing but not a crash (conceive it was certainly below realistic but i saw many crashes). At this time i was simming with a CH flight stick, not even a f16 replica.

Each time i had some minutes of adaptation to the controls, and plane response before trying a land but nothing OMG!

 

This was During brasilian FX-1 program where all companies where crazy to sell something to Brasil, short list wasn t even annouced, lots of hopes from all sides. Twas during one of the early LADS (Latin America Defensetech's) fair, civilian weren t allowed in those yet. But since i was helping on the event org., my pay was a free pass for the last day.:D Good times.

[Deadman]

Yes jumping it to an aircraft and REALLY taking off with just sim time and no instruction as the question is raised. You would bet your life go for it lets us know how pavement taste :thumbup:

[sweinhart3]

I guess we'll never know will we? The second you try to jump in without authorization, the MPs will shoot your ass dead.

 

I have no experience flying jets outside of simulators. I have been at the controls of numerous small prop planes, and as comfortable as I am landing in simulators, I'm positive I could do it in the real thing. However, when the real thing means life or death, I wouldnt dare try it without a proper instructor right there. Takeoff is pretty easy though. Not much to it if you can keep the plane straight.

[Succellus]

I guess we'll never know will we? The second you try to jump in without authorization, the MPs will shoot your ass dead.

 

 

Thats for sure. My point was just that i dont know why people like to scare others about flying.

If someone can be sent to war after 2 weeks like in WW2 or fly in formation in 3 month even if it is a trainer then it can t be that hard.

 

As for flying a jet... do you really think all those ME-252 had years of training ? With most of the vets dead or incapacitated ? You can bet there were a bunch of green horns flying them.

 

Until the early 90 it was the same for skydive. Being a skydiver myself i can say its easy... as long you can dial 911 on your mobile fone without tripping on it.:P

[Succellus]

Yes jumping it to an aircraft and REALLY taking off with just sim time and no instruction as the question is raised. You would bet your life go for it lets us know how pavement taste :thumbup:

 

I ll bet even 2 of my lives:), but if i lick the pavement, im not sure i ll be able to describe the taste of it before you join me in the afterlife, if even something like that exist.:smilewink:

Edited September 2, 2010 by Succellus

[Scabbers]

I guess we'll never know will we? The second you try to jump in without authorization, the MPs will shoot your ass dead.

 

I have no experience flying jets outside of simulators. I have been at the controls of numerous small prop planes, and as comfortable as I am landing in simulators, I'm positive I could do it in the real thing. However, when the real thing means life or death, I wouldnt dare try it without a proper instructor right there. Takeoff is pretty easy though. Not much to it if you can keep the plane straight.

 

You cross the red line on a airforce tarmac and your ass is on the ground or shot dead. so GOOD LUCK is all I say. I was walking out to our navy aircraft at McChord and I crossed the line. of course we didnt have flight line badges because we were transient and i was about an hour earlier than the schedule and 6 MP's bagged me up until they verified my ID.

[Scabbers]

Succ also remember the the FM and avionics in a trainer is much simpler than the A-10 or F-16.

[Succellus]

Succ also remember the the FM and avionics in a trainer is much simpler than the A-10 or F-16.

 

Has the word BASIC changed anyway when i was somewhere else ?

 

You can be sure 3 weeks on a dedicated mi grade sim and 1 week on tarmac would fix your deficiency so you could do the basics, and fly the sim specific plane.

 

Much of airforce training is stressing the pretendent to know if they have what it take to go to war, not a simple fly and fool around. They have so many pretendent they have to select one way or another, could be your horoscope for the ten next years for what matters, or your sexual performance in the last 5 days...

 

Its interesting to know all the fisics around flying, but useless IRL (apart from gliding, which 99% of the pilot don t know because they never entered a glider), the same way its interesting to know what fisics are involved in catching a ball in flight, and at the same time useless, because your brain does all the math by instinct.

Edited September 2, 2010 by Succellus

[sweinhart3]

Thats for sure. My point was just that i dont know why people like to scare others about flying.

If someone can be sent to war after 2 weeks like in WW2 or fly in formation in 3 month even if it is a trainer then it can t be that hard.

 

As for flying a jet... do you really think all those ME-252 had years of training ? With most of the vets dead or incapacitated ? You can bet there were a bunch of green horns flying them.

 

Until the early 90 it was the same for skydive. Being a skydiver myself i can say its easy... as long you can dial 911 on your mobile fone without tripping on it.:P

 

Well I dunno about you, but having to land at 120knots can be nerve racking when most people barely push 75mph in their car. Many of those WW2 pilots you mentioned also died during their landing attempts so I wouldnt agree with 2 weeks training being adequate. Most of the WW2 vets went to war with only a few weeks training and a gun they barely learned to fire.

[Scabbers]

Has the word BASIC changed anyway when i was somewhere else ?

 

You can be sure 3 weeks on a dedicated mi grade sim and 1 week on tarmac would fix your deficiency so you could do the basics, and fly the sim specific plane.

 

Much of airforce training is stressing the pretendent to know if they have what it take to go to war, not a simple fly and fool around. They have so many pretendent they have to select one way or another, could be your horoscope for the ten next years for what matters, or your sexual performance in the last 5 days...

 

Its interesting to know all the fisics around flying, but useless IRL (apart from gliding, which 99% of the pilot don t know because they never entered a glider), the same way its interesting to know what fisics are involved in catching a ball in flight, and at the same time useless, because your brain does all the math by instinct.

 

Airforce training is flying skills but also to teach the candidates to react in a certain way to inflight emergencies and situations thus ensuring aircrew and or aircraft survivablity.

[Rambler91]

Imho, one of the important factors are pilot-induced oscillations of the aircraft.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot-induced_oscillation

 

This article shows how experience is important in flying multi-dozen ton aircraft at a speed no less than 500 km/h..

 

One of the paragraphs:

 

Pilot-induced oscillations may be the fault of the aircraft, the pilot, or both. It is a common problem for inexperienced pilots, and especially student pilots.

Edited September 3, 2010 by Rambler91

[Succellus]

Well I dunno about you, but having to land at 120knots can be nerve racking when most people barely push 75mph in their car. Many of those WW2 pilots you mentioned also died during their landing attempts so I wouldnt agree with 2 weeks training being adequate. Most of the WW2 vets went to war with only a few weeks training and a gun they barely learned to fire.

 

True some even didn t remember to push the gun activation buttons while doing a pass.

Also true some died, but much more than those did survive and learned quick.

 

Also true that you gonna need some nerves, but i can guarantee it won tbe more nerve wracking than gripping the wing pylon of a cessna at what ? 160 KM/H, stepping outside looking at your instructor waiting for him to give you an OK, so you can loose grip and let yourself fall hopping a strip of tissue will pull another, this time bigger peice of tissue, prying this one will unfold and let you descend on the ground safely, all that at 3000 feets high, you canstill neatly see the houses, cars even people.

All that when the guy before you just cracked up on his 1rst jump and kept gripping the wing pylon begging to get inside, and the instructor cooly close the door and signal the pilot to increase throttle until the guy has no stenght left and drop screaaaaaamiiiing.:megalol:

Twas fun to see but also unsetling, since i was about to do my jump Nº 2, still tandem.

 

Or when you re in a bright summer day waiting for your turn to get up and do some middle course jump and a dumb girl splat herself hitting the ground between 200 and 300 KM/H and become some kind of boneless jelly because she failed all emergency procedures, inclusive deploying reserve. You look at the mess and think ummmm.... does it worth it ?

Yes its worth it!!!!! If i have to choose how to die let me die in my sleep, piloting something or skydiving!!!!

 

Life is too short to be wasted study-work-house-work-die of old age regreting all you could have done but didn t out of fear.

[Succellus]

Airforce training is flying skills but also to teach the candidates to react in a certain way to inflight emergencies and situations thus ensuring aircrew and or aircraft survivablity.

 

You bet emergencies will be part of your training in the sim.

And anyhow if its your time, no training will ever save you, you only have to look at how many mil pilots dies by year.

Would they trade what they do for another profession, i ll bet not, unless $$$ is the matter.

And today airline pilots are so badly paid...

[mvsgas]

what are those marking that look like a "2"? the one below AF78, and the other one like it.

Here are more example of general symbols

The star means refuel ( help to identify since the panel has "kerosine" written on it)

and the arrow looking symbol is a grounding point

 

Taken form the link Namenlos Ein posted

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=971379&postcount=3952

[Succellus]

Imho, one of the important factors are pilot-induced oscillations of the aircraft.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot-induced_oscillation

 

This article shows how experience is important in flying multi-dozen ton aircraft at a speed no less than 500 km/h..

 

One of the paragraphs:

 

Very interesting.

 

Much like driving fast in mud or snow or even overcorrecting the tendency of a car to be willing to carheel... If you overcorrect you loose control.

 

The only sim i saw that had something similar modelled was A10 cuba when you shut off the vertical piloting stabilizator (or a name like that), or got it damaged or it was unable to coop with plane damage. The plane started to oscilate up down, it was tiring to try to control, and eventually something really nasty hapened when you where trying to land, or if you failed to control it in flight.

[Luke.S]

they need to get this bad boy going again

 

 

wait for it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 seater warthog baby :P