ED's planned price policy

[Steel Jaw]

I offered to buy you a copy

 

Got one.

 

But daddy needs a new TM Hog HOTAS.

[cheezy]

Sorry if it comes across as being offensive to some... But some of you mean to tell me that 60 bucks is going to break the bank for a sim? Sorry man but you're in the wrong hobby. Out of all the gamers we have the most expense. HOTAS/Joysticks TIR Rudder Pedels not to mention the fastest CPUs and GPUs we can muster and you have to complain that your buying a 60 dollar game? Get over yourself. You can get a second job for 1 day and pay for your game if you really had too. Hell my bar tab has been more than 60 bucks. Just look at the hours and hours of enjoyment you get out of the purchase. I'm still playing games like IL2 and FreeFalcon5 that are a decade and older.

 

If you can swing the cash then go play some free casual games online.

 

Sheesh.

 

My computer is shit, my only joystick is a saitek av8r, and I am happy(Well not really) so saying you have to have a lot of money for a sim is kinda dumb. But I do agree, if you are getting fussy over $60, find another hobby. Hell I pay $60 a lot for xbox 360 games.

[BoneDust]

Got one.

 

But daddy needs a new TM Hog HOTAS.

 

Let me know if you find out where to buy in Canada. I was looking at them today and think I'll get one. I already ordered an X65F for Falcon but it hasn't arrived yet.

[Renato71]

Your post came through anyway bud. My intention was not to insult you.

 

But you got it right to the bone.

I offered to buy you a copy and joked around a little, but you know what, there's so many people with hostile attitudes today why try to help. Regrettably, your reply was a little hostile to someone who offered to buy you a copy.

 

It was not easy to tell if your offer was a joke, or only the rest. No, after third reading, I'm closer to think that you were only joking.

So, after that, there is nothing that I can say, short of cursing, that you can claim to be insulted with.

 

Forget it. :mad:

I forgot it before anybody made any reply. Thats why I edited into "Nevermind" cos I knew there is no way to make a reply that will both express my feelings adequately, and simultaneously NOT to insult anybody.

 

Then again, if there are true samaritans around here, they will not be insulted even if I threw my socks into their face.

Then again, I rather have fair price that I could afford on my own.

Then again, I bought all previous editions of LO/FC/DCS, thus being one of those that enabled you and others to have A-10C by preforming an act of INVESTING. Well, its your turn to invest.

 

But, in the end, I called upon those that claim to be willing to spend 200 USD, but are neatly avoiding donation to those that cannot afford, but are interested into WH. (not to forget, it AIN'T me!).

 

There, neveremind and forget. Cos this has turned into account bragging contest, and I'm flat.

 

PS - FYI, I planned to give a copy of WH as a prize gift in a national FC2 tournament, hopefully few times a year, but at 60 USD it is way too much. So, for 30 USD, I bought a bunch of shoulder patches on ebay. They will last for a year or two, AND now I have prize gifts for first three places.

Edited October 9, 2010 by Renato71

[metalnwood]

But you got it right to the bone.

 

 

Then again, I rather have fair price that I could afford on my own.

Then again, I bought all previous editions of LO/FC/DCS, thus being one of those that enabled you and others to have A-10C by preforming an act of INVESTING. Well, its your turn to invest.

 

But, in the end, I called upon those that claim to be willing to spend 200 USD, but are neatly avoiding donation to those that cannot afford, but are interested into WH. (not to forget, it AIN'T me!).

 

There, neveremind and forget. Cos this has turned into account bragging contest, and I'm flat.

 

 

Seriously.. The price is fair, just comparing to other titles that will sell more copies than a10.

 

I bought all other versions, do you owe me something in return or do we cancel each other out?

 

I have little sympathy for people who think they are owed something, especially when we are just talking about their discretionary spending. Buy your own copy and stop whinging about people who won't give their money away to someone else.

[Renato71]

What "other" titles?

 

I'm wining about people not giving money to someone else. I'm calling upon those that think this is worth more then 60 USD, to pay more then 60 USD.

 

To make myself clear, at this moment I cannot afford 60 USD. At all. Nor do I plan to spend that much on ONE game/sim. If it were 30 USD, over the course of next 12 month, I would buy 2-4 copies (if financial circumstances permit so).

[metalnwood]

Looking at steam, call of duty 2 is now on sale for $60, down from $80 something. Can they afford to sell it for less. I think so, look at the top publishers. There are a bunch of games at $60.

 

Just because a guy says it's worth more than $60 to him doesnt mean he should put his hand in his pocket and pay you the difference, why do you feel so entitled?

 

If you would buy 2-4 copies at a lower price that easily exceeds $60 when added up you have a bit of a nerve to ask someone else to buy you one, obviously you would have the money and it's your choice.

[Rikus]

As is modeled the A10, i mean at DCS level (not lomac level) 60 dolars i see cheap also.

 

Expensive are those games that cost between 40 and 60 dolars, that when you finish, you put in the shelve.

 

This point about the planes.

 

About the world, i can´t believe, that at the present day, the 3D engine is the same than lomac, so many years ago. Yes some fixes, but water still all over the world under the earth.

 

About the weather engine, FSX 4-5 years make one much much better.

 

I think they don´t do a new 3D engine so do the weather engine because the A10 spend all time, but for the next DCS Module, i hope to see at least, one of this 2 things, and of course, the most important thing, a real improve in the multiplayer code, so finally we can fly 10-15 friends with no problems.

 

Greetings

[Grimes]

The 60$ price point is abit of a new revelation in the PC market. Its been the golden standard of console games for a while, but only just recently started becoming more and more common on PC. Honestly I'd be perfectly happy if pre-order is 60$ but when the game is released officially its 50$.... and then ED decides to put it in the crazy steam christmas deals for >25% off.

[digitaljjd]

Are you crazy man? :doh:

Everyone should buy modules just to make sure that another one comes out??!!

 

If so then something is terrible wrong in the release schedule of the modules (releasing modules addressed to a smaller interested group instead of release a module that interests a larger group of people)...

 

This was a joke reference to a movie quote from George Lucas's "THX-1138", of which the trailer can be

on youtube.

 

Buy more, buy more now...and be happy. :shifty:

Edited October 9, 2010 by digitaljjd

[Rikus]

and then ED decides to put it in the crazy steam christmas deals for >25% off.

 

Even if there are no deal, just the fact to see in Steam (no activations ¬¬) this would be great.

 

Greetings

[ZQuickSilverZ]

I think one thing your all forgetting is that all these modules start as military projects. You know the military that takes the lowest bid no matter what. 50 dollar hammers...... 500 dollar toilet seats.... See where I am going with this? When you buy a console game your buying something specifically made for a consumer market. All this was paid for by a military at probably super inflated prices and then tweaked for a consumer market. So don't even try to convince me that buying an ED product and buying an EA product are anywhere near the same thing.

Edited October 9, 2010 by ZQuickSilverZ

[zaelu]

I must admit I made a silly error. I thought is 60€ not 60$ :D

 

I bought it five minutes ago :P

[ZaltysZ]

Just my opinion:

You people that assume A10C expensive, must be kidding. :)

 

And some random guy from oil rich country can say: Petrol can be expensive? You must be kidding. :smilewink:

 

People, saying that A10 is expensive, say that not because they are Scrooge McDucks, but because the price is high, if compared to their salary and amount of money they spend for essential needs.

 

Before asking "how it can be expensive?", everyone needs to remember that price is one (so far), but not all of us are living in the same country, so perceived value of 60$ can be very different.

 

 

Think about StarCraft II what more it has ? What it really gives you ? it's more expensive, and simultanusly more easy to develop !

 

Native English tribesmen like to say something about apples and oranges in such case. In anyway, SC2 has strong MP, in which everything needs to be very balanced or people will simply loose interest in it. This alone makes it hard to develop and requires army of testers.

[ZaltysZ]

I must admit I made a silly error. I thought is 60€ not 60$ :D

 

I bought it five minutes ago :P

 

So, how much beer you can buy? :lol:

[Arg0n]

metalnwood, seriously, if you just knew the amount of work Renato71 invested in this game (or to be exact a part of it's community) you wouldn't talk like that. Thanks to his labor he managed to quadruple the number of active Croatian members, that fly and BUY the simulations, he maintains the Croatian community forum, Croatian IL-2 and FC2 league. So even if he was trying to get some credit for his work it would be more than deserved and nobody who knows his work will think that's arrogant...

 

Now he his sarcasm is 100 or 200 times greater than his ego, so when he mentioned why wouldn't somebody buy him a copy when they would be willing to pay 200$, he was sarcastic.

 

On the other note 60$ is really a lot to pay for a game. Now i would much rather spend 40$ on Civilization V. Why? Because Civ V gives me thousands hours of fun just like some claim FC/DCS does for them. But with 40$ i pay I'm worthy of their time when i say i found a bug, don't have to write 5-6 huge posts to prove it's not me it's a bug, mostly fending off people who have almost no connection with the developers, i have a HUGE number of mods and conversions, the game is very open to modding. When people say it's not the same, that DCS is a simulator and everybody can play CIV 5 i say well everybody can play DCS can't they? It has an arcade mode... And about the full realism options, there is a lot of ways to make CIV 5 so difficult that you need more time and nerves than for any flight sim... Also for just 20$ more than A-10 I get the collectors edition with a lot of goodies, here i don't even get a printed manual (I KNOW it's huge, but still it would be a nice touch to get at least a part of it...)

 

And I agree that making this an elitist simulation is just plain wrong. I don't have all the fancy peripherals I have a Saitek Aviator which was given to me by a friend, i don't have Track IR, and my headphones cost like 30HRK which equals to about 6$. Yet i really like modern jets, they are a passion for me and i spend a lot of time reading about them and watching videos. This is starting to look like Croatia or America, not an forum. Either you are totally with us or you are the heathen that wants to threaten our way of life. Here everybody takes criticism like it's a loyalty thing. And trust me the Croatian community IS loyal, but we still get treated like second class citizens because our purchasing prowess isn't on par with some of the best off here on the forum. That being said a realistic price would be about 30-40$. Simply put, Gabe Newell has a really nice point, discounts are made to increase profit, cheaper games are more likely to get considered upon purchase.

 

Regards

Arg0n.

[Revvin]

Gabe Newell is selling mass market FPS games not niche high fidelity flight simulation products. There are plenty of people who have done a great many things for the flight sim community but do so because they are fans of the genre not for personal gain or fame. I can't upgrade my PC so DCS: A10 isn't an option for me right now but hopefully in a few months I will get my upgrade done and buy the game. DCS: A10 has not been released yet. Those who can afford it right now have got to play the Beta but if DCS: A10 is not out for a month or two and you really want to buy it then put a few dollars aside each week. I personally think its worth it for the length of time I'll play it. People are too wrapped up in the 'I want it right now' mentality instead of saving for something. ED have the sales figures from past titles and set the price accordingly to maximise sales so second guessing the economics is pointless. The price is comparable to other less involved titles. ED could have made it much less realistic to appeal to a wider audience but then the rivot counters would tear them to shreds. You can't have it both ways.

[nomdeplume]

All this was paid for by a military at probably super inflated prices and then tweaked for a consumer market. So don't even try to convince me that buying an ED product and buying an EA product are anywhere near the same thing.

 

I think you vastly underestimate how much work is done on the consumer versions. They can't just 'port' the version they create for the military; they get permission to use (some of) the information they were given for the military sim to create an entertainment product.

 

Remember, the military paid for a simulator to assist pilots with conversion to the A-10C cockpit. They didn't buy a video game! Graphics engine and model improvements, all the new AI functionality, and of course the campaigns and missions - none of that would have been built for the military contract. I wouldn't be surprised if the flight modeling wasn't really used by the military, either (after all, they have real Hogs for pilots to train in, and a simulator might instill bad habits if it's not 100% accurate... which it never will be).

[GGTharos]

You're going nowhere with this.

 

The DTS A-10C code is completely separate from the DCS A-10C. ED was NOT permitted to 'turn DTS into a consumer product'. They were allowed to use knowledge gained during production of the DTS to create the DCS product.

 

I think one thing your all forgetting is that all these modules start as military projects. You know the military that takes the lowest bid no matter what. 50 dollar hammers...... 500 dollar toilet seats.... See where I am going with this? When you buy a console game your buying something specifically made for a consumer market. All this was paid for by a military at probably super inflated prices and then tweaked for a consumer market. So don't even try to convince me that buying an ED product and buying an EA product are anywhere near the same thing.

[metalnwood]

metalnwood, seriously, if you just knew the amount of work Renato71 invested in this game (or to be exact a part of it's community) you wouldn't talk like that. Thanks to his labor he managed to quadruple the number of active Croatian members, that fly and BUY the simulations, he maintains the Croatian community forum, Croatian IL-2 and FC2 league. So even if he was trying to get some credit for his work it would be more than deserved and nobody who knows his work will think that's arrogant...

 

Now he his sarcasm is 100 or 200 times greater than his ego, so when he mentioned why wouldn't somebody buy him a copy when they would be willing to pay 200$, he was sarcastic.

.

 

Argon, I see that he has 700+ posts so I would think that he has been active in the community but I don't have time to read all his posts before I comment on one or two.

 

He didn't seem to pass it off as one flippant comment, he said it again, and then again.

 

I don't mind someone asking if someone else will buy a game for them. Good on them if it actually happens. What I don't think is appropriate is having a go at someone else because they would not buy that game for them.

 

We have all done things for other people in our lives, this goes nowhere when you list your credentials. There is always the quiet guy who has done ten times more than all of us.

 

Yes I know it costs more for different people. It cost the equivalent of about $80 USD in my part of the world. It was worth it to ME. Renato71 has already said if he had the $$ hw would not buy it because it's past his monkey island 2 threshold of $30.

 

Good for him, lets stop the complaining.

[thenewarea51]

I just payed $59 dollars for Formula 1 2010 for PS3 2 weeks ago and all I can do is drive around in circles.

 

$59 spent on a DCS A-10C beta (pre-buy) I can fly, blow up tanks and engage in war.

 

So from my prespective, $59 spent with Eagle Dynamics gives me alot more BANG FOR MY BUCK ;-) than other sims for $59

[Renato71]

If the price is decide as to "cover the developing costs", then how come every Russian edition is much cheaper then any Western edition? In my mind, that says that is it cheap for ED to develop a game in Russia, but expensive for The Fighter Collection to sell in the West.

 

If not, then the price is simply picked up on basis "which one is going to hurt less". If so, then I am - being under legal umbrella of "West" - in effect paying for Russians to have cheaper fun. Although, the average income is about the same as in my country.

But, what every westerner pays is a Russian hacker that will create a crack. As every crack came from Russia. With love for their national product?

 

The price rose for each sequential title for increment that is much larger then the inflation rate in any major market.

 

Boberro said what is right, and everybody missed that on intention:

Usually it is better to sell 100 pieces of cake for $1 than 60 for $1.4 ;]

 

That is what makes the difference between the capitalism and the monopole, or the abuse of the monopole.

[Steel Jaw]

Dude I do not see your point.

[GGTharos]

Actually, ED is selling at fair market price in the respective markets.

 

Now, YOU or specifically your country might not be part of those particular markets, but that is neither ED's problem nor something they can fix, nor is it monopoly or abuse thereof.

 

You're a bit off base here. I'm sorry that things are crappy in your country economically speaking - it sucks, I've 'been in such a situation and I've seen things like that, but just because you're affected by it doesn't mean that the vast majority of the market is.

 

Boberro said what is right, and everybody missed that on intention:

 

 

That is what makes the difference between the capitalism and the monopole, or the abuse of the monopole.

[Panzertard]

Renato, I have only one wish ... I hope to see you in the skies one day, and fly with you, bud.

But as you say - some people is unable to buy it due to the price.

Other aren't ...

 

o7