Why can't developers do anything about Torrents or Somilian Software Pirates

[nastynacho]

Why can't developers do anything about Torrents or Somilian Software Pirates

 

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[My Fing ID]

Piracy is going to happen. Once you have someone with a private computer that knows what they're doing there's nothing you can do to stop them. Hopefully they'll buy the game though. I know I've bought many games I pirated, well all the ones I liked at least.

[leafer]

already?

[MTFDarkEagle]

Damn now already! That's fast! But as far as I know, starforce isn't beaten yet on a x64 system..

[Grimes]

People will always pirate software. The key is to spend your time making a superior product and userbase that are loyal to your product instead of focusing on terrible DRM that end up alienating and annoying your userbase more than someone who pirates the software.

 

[topol-m]

^^^ "Imagine your car gets stolen, but it`s still there in the morning" :megalol: Ingenious!

[104th_Crunch]

^^^ "Imagine your car gets stolen, but it`s still there in the morning" :megalol: Ingenious!

 

Imagine you want to sell your car, it is still there in the morning with no sale, but someone made a copy of your car with a Star Trek replicator that was only posible using your original car. :music_whistling: :D

[MTFDarkEagle]

d'oh!

[Total]

Years ago (aka when 56K was fast) I used to run a warez ftp and almost suffered legal action because of it.

 

Piracy is theft. Plain and simple. I knew that when I was running the ftp.

 

When someone downloaded a program from ftp that had been cracked, then they were getting a program for free. 90% of those who download a cracked program never buy it.

 

The legal action is not what prompted me to stop distributing warez. MP3's were.

 

As a recording musician and knowing professional musicians, I saw the effect illegal MP3 downloads had on professional musicians first hand. The standard contract with the label averages to $1 per CD sold in a major retail chain in the US that goes to the artist. The rest goes to the label and distribution company. 100,000 illegal downloads not followed by a purchase was $100,000 the artist never got. Calculate in promotion, recording advances, etc and the artist was in the hole already. Live performances? Calculate in transportation, booking agent fees, venue fees, backline fees, stage fees, sound equipment fees, lighting equipment fees, wages for road crew and IATSE personnel, meals and travel for all crew, meals for the artist, management fees, taxes for merchandise, venue fees for selling merchandise, etc Now split what's left among the band members. They weren't making much unless they were superstar status.

 

Software developers are under the same sort of gun. If they don't sell, they don't make money. Every pirated copy that isn't followed by a sell is lost income that cannot be tracked or claimed as a financial loss. It takes a team of people to make a piece of software and they have to be paid somehow.

 

Every piece of software I own is a purchased copy. Most software companies release a demo. Youtube is a great source for finding ingame reviews and there's plenty of other places to get written reviews. There's no excuse not to pay for the software except the thrill of getting it for free when one is not supposed to.

 

There's a reason the PC market is going to crap - there's no money in it due to the amount of piracy.

 

And bit torrents are only a portion of it. Rapidshare, MegaUpload, Hotfile, etc There's entire sites out there dedicated to illegal sharing of copyrighted material hosted on those sites.

[Grimes]

Imagine you want to sell your car, it is still there in the morning with no sale, but someone made a copy of your car with a Star Trek replicator that was only posible using your original car. :music_whistling: :D

 

If the world had a freaking replicator from Star Trek, why the hell do you still own a car?

[ObvilionLost]

Torrents on their own have nothing to do with piracy, it's the people who crack and upload the software. Piracy always existed, it started as a friend making you a copy of some DOS game, or a friend connecting his VCR to record a movie that you have :lol:

Edited October 11, 2010 by ObvilionLost

[Bucic]

IMHO the best way to fight with torrent pirated copies is to seed fake ones! Very simple. Everyone can do this. You can also seed the beta. Just rename it to 'DCS A-10C Warthog leaked beta3 cracked' and there you go.

[Boberro]

As a recording musician and knowing professional musicians, I saw the effect illegal MP3 downloads had on professional musicians first hand. The standard contract with the label averages to $1 per CD sold in a major retail chain in the US that goes to the artist. The rest goes to the label and distribution company. 100,000 illegal downloads not followed by a purchase was $100,000 the artist never got. Calculate in promotion, recording advances, etc and the artist was in the hole already. Live performances? Calculate in transportation, booking agent fees, venue fees, backline fees, stage fees, sound equipment fees, lighting equipment fees, wages for road crew and IATSE personnel, meals and travel for all crew, meals for the artist, management fees, taxes for merchandise, venue fees for selling merchandise, etc Now split what's left among the band members. They weren't making much unless they were superstar status.

 

Some time ago I've read examples how Polish distributors rape Poles in prices. I don't remember exact name of the CD album but it was well known artist (older genre). In Poland that CD was priced about 17-19E. On the West probably in England same Album was priced about 10 pounds. I say product prices ARE NOT adequate to economy situation in countries. Another example - brand jeans in Poland about 50E, exactly identical jeans in Germany 30E or 35E don't remember exactly. Now compare earnings in Ger and Pol... There are much more examples of stupid prices in that sick country. Just my few cents about weird priced things.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Boberro

[Steel Jaw]

Piracy can be blamed on years of crap and gabrage being released, with an EUA that typically prohibits refunds.

[asparagin]

Piracy can be blamed on years of crap and gabrage being released, with an EUA that typically prohibits refunds.

 

Blame the buyers for that.

[digital_steve]

As a recording musician and knowing professional musicians, I saw the effect illegal MP3 downloads had on professional musicians first hand. The standard contract with the label averages to $1 per CD sold in a major retail chain in the US that goes to the artist. The rest goes to the label and distribution company. 100,000 illegal downloads not followed by a purchase was $100,000 the artist never got. Calculate in promotion, recording advances, etc and the artist was in the hole already. Live performances? Calculate in transportation, booking agent fees, venue fees, backline fees, stage fees, sound equipment fees, lighting equipment fees, wages for road crew and IATSE personnel, meals and travel for all crew, meals for the artist, management fees, taxes for merchandise, venue fees for selling merchandise, etc Now split what's left among the band members. They weren't making much unless they were superstar status

 

Agreed.

People don't realise how little musicians actually get from their sales and how hard a majority of the smaller acts have to work to get their music recorded, mastered, pressed, marketed and released; it really is mind-blowing.

I've never pirated music for these reasons, however i am a complete hypocrite as i download TV shows and the occasional movie.

The weird thing is, i mostly (not 100%) buy these downloads on DVD as i want the quality, physical product and extras. (don't read this as a justifications, i'm a c*nt and i know it)

I've found amongst my friend group that TV and Movie downloads will actually transition to sales, whereas music downloads generally don't. Most end users are happy with crappily-encoded music because they know no better, whereas TV and movie clearly show the loss of quality.

 

Strange... a tad unrelated rant by me, but something i've always found strange.

 

Some time ago I've read examples how Polish distributors rape Poles in prices. I don't remember exact name of the CD album but it was well known artist (older genre). In Poland that CD was priced about 17-19E. On the West probably in England same Album was priced about 10 pounds. I say product prices ARE NOT adequate to economy situation in countries. Another example - brand jeans in Poland about 50E, exactly identical jeans in Germany 30E or 35E don't remember exactly. Now compare earnings in Ger and Pol... There are much more examples of stupid prices in that sick country. Just my few cents about weird priced things.

 

Distributors are the main culprit for dumb prices, resulting in people 'working around' them, the world over.

Here in Australia we basically get bent over, oiled up and penetrated on just about everything... examples from personal experience? Vinyl (records, remember them?), SCUBA equipment, ebook equipment and sales, firearms and firearms parts, specialty products i.e. flight sim stuff (almost $600AUD for a CM MFP!!!)... the list goes on.

 

The problem is, for the end user, we never really look at the distributor as raping us and look at the artist/company and then have no compunction in ripping them off likewise.

 

I wish i had an answer

 

*note - all spelling and grammar mistakes are my own and i'm proud of each and every one of them.

[InFireBaptize]

it's possible

 

Why can't developers do anything about Torrents or Somilian Software Pirates

 

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

 

yes they can. Arma2 has the FADE DRM protection, also there is online serial code authentication. Microsoft is the perfect example for detecting pirated software, no matter what programs/software or crack file you use in the end you'll get busted.

[Steel Jaw]

Microsoft is the perfect example for detecting pirated software, no matter what programs/software or crack file you use in the end you'll get busted.

 

 

Ah no.

 

M$ is losing that battle. Especially in China. But here to.

[InFireBaptize]

Ah no.

 

M$ is losing that battle. Especially in China. But here to.

 

Not only China, Middle East as well.

 

But in Canada, every brand new computer out there you buy from a store has Microsoft windows on it. Corporations and small businesses need Microsoft Server, exchange server, sql server, Microsoft office suite never mind IT companies use way more than those above mentioned products.

 

Microsoft will live forever until

1) Linux gets more user friendly.

2) Mac computers will be cheaper.

3) We can still play games on the two above OS :music_whistling:

[Steel Jaw]

But in Canada, every brand new computer out there you buy from a store has Microsoft windows on it

 

Irrelevant: I build my own for gaming/simming. Only way to go.

[InFireBaptize]

Irrelevant: I build my own for gaming/simming. Only way to go.

 

so did i Mower, but not a lot of people can do that. oh and we still need the operating system :-)

[Steel Jaw]

oh and we still need the operating system :-)

 

Correct. What people will differ on is how you get it.

[nscode]

Piracy is theft. Plain and simple.

 

+1

[Steel Jaw]

-1

 

Life is not black and white.

 

If you sell crappy buggy software to people with an EUA that gives them no recourse then YOU are the thief.

[egorter]

-1

 

Life is not black and white.

 

If you sell crappy buggy software to people with an EUA that gives them no recourse then YOU are the thief.

 

 

Then obviously you don't buy from them again.....