Joe Kurr Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 TM can do what they want. It's their design and their electronics. For a small independant developer, it's not the same. If they want to sell their product and not be sued, they can't violate TM's copyright. And I imagine this the problem that made joe kurr stop his project. Maybe he could contact Tarmac Aces to find a solution with them. Our Su-27 grip project is not cancelled, it's on hold due to time constraints. We're actually considering to do it as a mod for the HOTAS Warthog, as it has dual throttle. But since we miss two important elements (time and a HOTAS Warthog), it may take a while. Concerning the PCB inside the grip, it's a simple board with three standard and easily obtainable chips and a capacitor. Copying it is one option, with the possibility that TM gets angry with you. Taking it out the original grip and using it in the replacement is another option, but switching grips isn't as straightforward anymore. Another issue we need to solve with the Su-27 stick is that it has a microstick on it, while the Cougar only has one on the throttle. I don't know if this is the same for the Warthog, since I don't have access to one to investigate. Dutch Flanker Display Team | LLTM 2010 Tiger Spirit Award
Succellus Posted October 27, 2010 Posted October 27, 2010 Our Su-27 grip project is not cancelled, it's on hold due to time constraints. We're actually considering to do it as a mod for the HOTAS Warthog, as it has dual throttle. But since we miss two important elements (time and a HOTAS Warthog), it may take a while. Concerning the PCB inside the grip, it's a simple board with three standard and easily obtainable chips and a capacitor. Copying it is one option, with the possibility that TM gets angry with you. Taking it out the original grip and using it in the replacement is another option, but switching grips isn't as straightforward anymore. Another issue we need to solve with the Su-27 stick is that it has a microstick on it, while the Cougar only has one on the throttle. I don't know if this is the same for the Warthog, since I don't have access to one to investigate. If you are able to do the grip as full replacement for the warthog you have a foreigner customer from Brazil, and is it work for cougar and warthog, i guess you have at least 2 sells here from me. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Buzzz Posted November 8, 2010 Author Posted November 8, 2010 A new poll has been set up, because the previous one was not clear enough. http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=164654 The 2 option are now : 1) I want to buy this kit. 2) I want to buy this kit but I don't feel confident with the electronics. If you are not interested, please don't vote.
Kuky Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 Have any of these guys considered making a patent and selling it to Thrustmaster? I would be interested in MiG-29 and/or Su-27 stick but I would like it to be interchangable with HOTAS Cougar base. No longer active in DCS...
Succellus Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 Would thrustmaster be interested in buying the patent ? I guess no. The only thing it would make is TM not making the stick. OTOH, they haven t made anything for the Cougar, when contacted they said they weren t interested at all, why would they make something for the warthog ? I guess is we want others sticks we better do it ourselves. I mean the comunity. The Mirage doesnt interest me, but a SU-27/33 / Mig 29 you bet i m in. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
DEChengst Posted November 8, 2010 Posted November 8, 2010 Our Su-27 grip project is not cancelled, it's on hold due to time constraints. We're actually considering to do it as a mod for the HOTAS Warthog. If you make the stick work with the Cougar it should work with the Warthog as well. From the Warthog manual: BACKWARDS-COMPATIBILITY The new "HOTAS Warthog" handle is backwards-compatible with the base of the "HOTAS Cougar" (and vice versa). Only the CMS push button (button 19) will be non-functional, as it was not orginally featured on the HOTAS Cougar. [sigpic][/sigpic] PDP, VAX and Alpha fanatic ; HP-Compaq is the Satan! ; Let us pray daily while facing Maynard! ; Life starts at 150 km/h
Buzzz Posted March 16, 2011 Author Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) Some news about this project. The tarmac aces team has worked well. The parts are from resin, charged with aluminum powder, for the look and feel. The mechanical parts will be from cast metal. After a bit of painting job : Waiting for the electronic components The sticks should be finished this week. Maybe they'll consider doing some russian stuff after that. They just need a correct 3D model. You can contact them at the following address : http://www.tarmac-aces.com/html/en/contact.php Edited March 16, 2011 by Buzzz
Succellus Posted March 16, 2011 Posted March 16, 2011 Awesome! If they do some russian stuff for the warthog or even Cougar i m in!!! Someone must kick TM in the groin so maybe they ll wake up on their false promises. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Buzzz Posted March 16, 2011 Author Posted March 16, 2011 Might be interesting to launch a poll to know which russian stick deserves it most...
Buzzz Posted April 18, 2011 Author Posted April 18, 2011 Just wanted to share my pleasure with you. I have just received my new Joy Stick. If you want a Russian jet stick, now you know where to go!
Succellus Posted April 18, 2011 Posted April 18, 2011 HuH ?!! there s something very wrong with this stick angle, it is 90º from normal stance. And i have another question, how does it connect ? Is it the original wheel (cougar stick unmounted to mount this mirage one ?) or another (buy the part from thrustmaster as spare part. If second option, SU 27 /33 for Warthog, just tell me where do put the cash. I bet there will be some K50 fan getting crazy too. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
BaD CrC Posted April 18, 2011 Posted April 18, 2011 Ouch! 280 euros!! https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden
BHawthorne Posted April 18, 2011 Posted April 18, 2011 Seems like a bad target project for a stick mod. Why did they pick the Mirage?
airdog Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Seems like a bad target project for a stick mod. Why did they pick the Mirage? Because they are French....;) Airdog | Asus ROG Strix Z370-E Mobo | i7 8700K @ 4.7 | 32 GB DDR4@3200mhz | Gigabyte 2080Ti OC 11GB| Samsung M.2 960 Evo 250Gb and 500Gb | Win10 Pro | Hotas Warthog #02743 | Track IR 5 | Toshiba 47" 120hz LED | Acer 23" Touchscreen | HELIOS |Oculus Rift-S| http://www.blackknightssquadron.com/
Buzzz Posted April 19, 2011 Author Posted April 19, 2011 Seems like a bad target project for a stick mod. Why did they pick the Mirage? [kidding ON] Because it's the most beautiful aircraft in the world [kidding OFF]
Succellus Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Seems like a bad target project for a stick mod. Why did they pick the Mirage? Because its ugly and ergonomy design is...well it simply is... So who can less can more... HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Dudikoff Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Because they are French....;) Granted, but surely Rafale seems like a more obvious choice. Mirage stick seems less functional (especially for other sims) and there is a greater chance of seeing a Rafale sim in the future than a Mirage one. Actually, I sat in Rafale and quite liked the ergonomy. There are really very few switches and the throttle actually has a vertical control stick also which was kinda unusual at first, but perhaps provides a more logical operation of the hats with your thumb (i.e. the same way as on the right hand). i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Succellus Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 Granted, but surely Rafale seems like a more obvious choice. Mirage stick seems less functional (especially for other sims) and there is a greater chance of seeing a Rafale sim in the future than a Mirage one. Actually, I sat in Rafale and quite liked the ergonomy. There are really very few switches and the throttle actually has a vertical control stick also which was kinda unusual at first, but perhaps provides a more logical operation of the hats with your thumb (i.e. the same way as on the right hand). This is strange and was in the mirage 2000-BR (5) also. The vertical throttle. As i didn t fly nor the Rafale nor the Mirage simulator, i can t have an opinion of what it is to fly like that. I just think the RU/USA throttle is ergonomicaly more rational than the french one, especially when your on a multi engine plane. OTOH, the f-18 simulator i flew at Brazilian LAAD 2011 last week has 2 joystick as redundant pilot control. But as it was a "conceptual cockpit" not actually in production, i don t know how it really is. In this cockpit pratically all was automated...1 like 30" CMFD for pilot and operator separated in 3 distinct areas with diferent functions, no redundancy in system at all. If the MFCD screw the pilot or operator is blind but for the HUD infos(not present for the operator). I found this quite risky on such a costy project that a military fighter plane is. What i did NOT like is the Grippen throttle, its "suspended " on the air by 2 metallic bar where it slide on (one above and one under). As the throttle is heavy, it require heavy greasing or it becomes ankward to move slightly as you have to produce some strenght to move it and if it grips it will jump back or forward, way beyond your intent. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Dudikoff Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 This is strange and was in the mirage 2000-BR (5) also. The vertical throttle. As i didn t fly nor the Rafale nor the Mirage simulator, i can t have an opinion of what it is to fly like that. I just think the RU/USA throttle is ergonomicaly more rational than the french one, especially when your on a multi engine plane. Well, I can definitely agree on a problem with multi engine aircraft. I mean, you don't need that functionality except in special cases (e.g. no rudder control), but it's obviously needed as backup (especially for carrier landings). OTOH, the f-18 simulator i flew at Brazilian LAAD 2011 last week has 2 joystick as redundant pilot control. But as it was a "conceptual cockpit" not actually in production, i don t know how it really is. In this cockpit pratically all was automated...1 like 30" CMFD for pilot and operator separated in 3 distinct areas with diferent functions, no redundancy in system at all. If the MFCD screw the pilot or operator is blind but for the HUD infos(not present for the operator). I found this quite risky on such a costy project that a military fighter plane is. I didn't get this stick redundancy thing. Was there a throttle stick like in a Rafale or two flight sticks (one acting as a backup which sounds bizarre)? One screen? That sounds like the F-35 cockpit and I presume that it was a touch screen as well? But it is weird that they removed all analog instruments? I'd expect a few basic ones for backup at least (compass, altimeter, velocity indicator). i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
jbrking Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 fantastic looking stick.. though i would have preferred a project for a module featured in DCS Su-27 Flanker 1995 Super EF2000 1997 Jane's F/A-18 1999
jay43 Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 I would just get a breakout board rather than canalising my prized stick. Eagles may soar high but weasel's don't get sucked into jet engines. System Spec. Monitors: Samsung 570DX & Rift CV1 Mobo: MSI Godlike gaming X-99A CPU: Intel i7 5930K @ 3.50Ghz RAM: 32gb GPU: EVGA Nvidia GTX 980Ti VR Ready Cooling: Predator 360 Power Supply: OCZ ZX Series 80 Plus Gold Drives: Samsung SSD's 1tb, 500g plus others with OS Win10 64 bit
TomOnSteam Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 I guess this is project is dead? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cockpit Spectator Mode
Sokol1_br Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Yes, this grip was a Tarmac Aces project (did a universal joy base with damper, KG-13, Mirage III grips and others). The owner of the brand, the Valiant Studios filed for bankruptcy in ~2011. Is "history" now. Maybe that Replika Grips "take-off". :thumbup: Edited December 16, 2015 by Sokol1_br
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