F22 Crash

[bumfire]

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/17/349873/usaf-spots-apparent-f-22-wreckage-pilot-still-missing.html

 

and a couple other links

 

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123231186

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/11/17/alaska.plane.overdue/index.html

[HemingwayFE]

Here's hoping to a good rescue story out of this one.

[Steel Jaw]

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[Sticky]

I hope they find him alive and safe soon.

[Namenlos Ein]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/11/19/alaska.plane.crash/ — Officials identify missing F-22 pilot as search continues.

[Shaman]

Have they found the pilot yet? Very worrying :o

[Konovalov]

Not good. :( How long has the pilot been missing? Is it more than 48 hours in those freezing conditions? My thoughts and prayers are with the family of the pilot.

[SuperKungFu]

According to the latest news, the Air Force still hadn't established if the pilot was killed in the crash or ejected safely since the wreckage was in such a condition that they can't tell if the ejection seat was used.

 

The pilot has been identified as Capt. Jeffrey Haney.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/19/alaska ... index.html

 

and

 

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2010/ ... ka-111910/

 

I hope he makes it but this doesn't look good...not only he has to survive in near sub-zero temperature since Tuesday, but before he crashed this aircraft along with a second F-22 practiced individual intercepts and were nearing completion of the mission when Haney's Jet disappeared from ground radar tracking and from communications with the other aircraft. It may have been possible during the training the pilot lost track of the altitude or position since it was at night and crashed along the mountain side (where the wreckage was found)

[mikoyan]

Sad news he didn't eject.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/19/alaska.plane.crash/index.html

[kylania]

RIP Capt. Jeffrey Haney :cry:

[tflash]

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[Shaman]

['] for the pilot and the great machine spirit

[Vekkinho]

RIP.

:(

[egorter]

loss of orientation is most likely since he was alone at night and they don't have the GCAS installed.

[RIPTIDE]

RIP.

 

I'm confused as to why its worded that it disappeared from ground radar. Its a F-22 FFS. Or is this standard fare in reporting a loss?

[Bulletstop]

RIP.

 

 

Bullet

[mikoyan]

I had a feeling that he didn't ejected when they said that they lost contact with him; with no distress calls; it looked to me like he crashed very suddenly. I was hoping to see a happy ending.

So the raptor doesn't have night vision goggles?

A lot of things could have happened; I wonder if there is enough evidence in the crash site to find the cause of the accident.

There had been several accidents at night and low visibility on which pilots don't notice that they are on dives or inverted. mechanical failure could also be the cause; what if his life support system failed? (is the raptor cockpit pressurized?)

g-locks? ...there is a lot of things that could have the cause, I hope the investigators find the answer soon.

There was a NASA study to create a special g suit that had a device that would create vibrations around the pilot's body to indicate if the aircraft was inverted; I wonder if it was implemented?

 

Also... why if there are more advanced systems on 4th++ generation fighters and the f-35s why they don't upgrade the raptor; they already spend a lot of money on them to let them get outdated so quickly. I know it is about money but; why don't keep your premiere fighter up to date ;instead of developing more weapon systems that probably won't be needed?

The raptor as it is is going to become like the su-33; a rare and outdated bird.

[RIPTIDE]

O.o ?

 

I would be badly suprised if the F-22 among all other avionics highlights has not a ground collision avoidance system on board ..hah? :huh:

Even Tornados have the ability to cruise in pitch black darkness through canyons, even though that is a different system.

There have been civilian airliners lost where pilots with 20+ years in the saddle have ignored instruments and lost orientation. :( Its not unheard of.

[MoGas]

There have been civilian airliners lost where pilots with 20+ years in the saddle have ignored instruments and lost orientation. :( Its not unheard of.

 

Well, a EF-2000 would not crash in a mountain like that if pilot would loose the orientation, the EF-2000 would take controll over the situation and flys it out of it. This systeme is only OFF when gear is in down position otherwise the EF-2000 would not land at all until fuel is out I dont know but even the austrian EF'´s have it, and we have not the top notch avionic in there.

 

So in this case of a F-22, I would not understand if they don't have such a systeme. Maybe it was dissabled...but for a night training flyt, in the mountains I would not turn it off I guess, but who knows..

Edited November 20, 2010 by MoGas

[Cali]

A few things to consider here:

 

1. It was night time

2. Mountains in that area

3. lost orientation

4. Fixated on other things

 

This happens to a lot of pilots at night and the scary thing is that most of them don't report it. They are told to trust their instruments and don't fight it.

 

RIP to the pilot and prayers to his family.

[Vekkinho]

Even Tornados have the ability to cruise in pitch black darkness through canyons, even though that is a different system.

 

So what happened to a Tornado that CFIT into Alps during daytime 3 or 4 years ago?

 

C'mon, with terrain following radars or without ground is the only adversary that wins each head-on encounter!

[Vekkinho]

I've experienced a faulty digital Variometer in Cessna 340, it also had a steam gauge VVI as a backup that was functioning properly so I asked the ground crewmen what can they do about it.

 

I was told that they can take all digital displays out and that steam gauges are not backups but main instruments!

 

So if there's no steam gauges is Raptor they better get some!

[Avilator]

I would think that the GCAS would be multiple redundant, no? Also, do they have synthetic vision capabilities?

[tflash]

A GCAS does not mean you cannot hit the ground. Automated systems cannot override the laws of physics, just like an autopilot cannot do the impossible. It is perfectly possible an unrecoverable situation occured.

[kylania]

Who knows.....smells like something wierd went on.

That reminds me to someone who survived an ejection at supersonic whos father was pilot aswell and told him once: "watch your instruments, but "listen" to your plane, it wont lie to you"

 

..you can watch it here...good show

 

http://veehd.com/video/4537893_Discovery-Channel-Supersonic-Pushing-the-Envelope

 

Wow, that was a fantastic show, thanks for sharing! The story of that ejecting was sobering.