BigVette Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 Will the aircraft encyclopedia be appropriately updated for DCS: A-10C? If the first A-10C took to the skies in January of 2005, than shouldn't the theater of operations and in particular, the aircraft in it be appropriately rendered, as well? For example, long gone are F-14A's and even the last F-14D's, as much as I love them and believe they were retired too early. were taken out of the fleet in 2007 in favor of the F/A-18E and F Super Hornets, which aren't even modeled. No more S-3B Vikings, either. What about more modern Blackhawk helicopters for the Army, I don't think the Guard even uses any A models anymore. Also, and Wags knows what I'm talking about here - where is the Marine Air Wing and in particular, the Amphibious Readiness Group, or ARG? No LHD/A's or LPD's? No CH-46E's which up until recently, were the bulk of Marine Aviation? No V-22's for either the Marines or the Air Force? The entire East Coast Medium Lift community has now completely transitioned over to the Osprey now, (for better or worse.) Depending upon that time frame that DCS: A-10C is going for, you might even want to render the H-1 upgrades, AH-1Z and UH-1Y's. While it is of my personal opinion that the next DCS series should entail the ARG's role in the world because, as in particular should a US involvement in the region rendered ever happen, it almost assuredly would be with a Marine Expeditionary Unit. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Gigabyte P55-USB3 Intel i7-870 with 8 GB DDR3-1333 nVidia GeForce 470 GTX 1280mb RAM SoundBlaster X-Fi Titanium Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
636_Castle Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 People have been asking for current era AI and theaters since Flaming Cliffs. I don't think it's even a consideration at this point. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
104th_Crunch Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 It is a good point though. Much discussion has taken place in regard to what weapons/avionics Lock On fighters should have considering the time line portrayed in Lock On in these forums (understatement of the year). Now you have a modernized aircraft in a theatre with older equipment and not all the new equipment of the same time frame. Personally it does not matter much to me, within reason, if the time lines are not followed exactly. Hypothetical situations that are not 100% accurate in terms of timelines and politics are alright by me. For example the Ka-50 and A-10 being available for multiple countries in the sim that are not in real life. Of course when it comes to aviation, flight model, weapons, etc. the more realistic the better. Also, when DCS becomes Player vs. Player oriented, and there is dissimilar air combat (God, I hope before I die :) ), this topic will be even more important.
Grimes Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 Timeline? This is no time to talk about time. We don't have the time! Dating all the way back to LockOn 1.0 I don't think the US Navy hasn't changed at all. I suspect if we get a F-18 alot will change for naval warfare and more variety of ships would likely be added. Really its just a question of whether they have the models and the AI for it. If I recall there was a harrier model in DCS: BS, but it had no proper Harrier AI. I can't remember it either flew only like a chopper or only like an airplane, it couldn't do both. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
joey45 Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 DCS has no Timeline... We get what we're given... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
StrongHarm Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 I think the design model of the DCS series is phased integration. We'll see those aircraft and more in the future if the community supports the sim and the return is good for ED. I love what they're doing so far and would hate to see this end as we've seen so often in the past with epic sims. I'll personally be contributing every dollar possible to purchase any sims or related products. I'll provide word of mouth as much as possible and report any license violators without remorse. Go ED! 1 It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
Slayer Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 Outside of some of the Hollywood missions people make, how often would a real A-10 see any of it? edit: Refering to the A-10C and its current role... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System Specs Intel I7-3930K, Asrock EXTREME9, EVGA TITAN, Mushkin Chronos SSD, 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Z series 2133, TM Warthog and MFD's, Saitek Proflight Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 + TrackClip PRO, Windows 7 x64, 3-Asus VS2248H-P monitors, Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Obutto cockpit
hassata Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 DCS exists in an alternate universe very much like our own. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Luke.S Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 in the DCS universe the Tomcat was fitted with decent engines from the start and the A-12 program (the navy one) never happened. Aircraft didn't advance as much but a few special aircraft KA50 and A10C were the forefront in new aircraft technology. Oh and the cold war got hot.
shawnyp420 Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 I was just thinking the other day... Why isn't there a Middle East theater? I'm pretty sure (besides Georgia) that's the only place in the world where any 'real' war is being made. Wouldn't it be fantastic to fly over Iraq providing CAS? I'm reading a great book right now about Hog Squadrons in the Gulf War of 91'. Those Hog Drivers had lots of stuff to shoot at. AMD Ryzen 5 3600, ASUS X570-PLUS, NVidia RTX 2080, 32GB DDR4 @2400MHz, Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Corsair H100i cooler, Oculus Rift S.
Stretch Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 DCS exists in an alternate universe very much like our own. That explains the minor discrepancies between DCS: Warthog and the real thing. :P Tim "Stretch" Morgan 72nd VFW, 617th VFS Other handles: Strikeout (72nd VFW, 15th MEU Realism Unit), RISCfuture (BMS forums) PC and Peripherals: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RISCfuture/saved/#view=DMp6XL Win10 x64 — BMS — DCS — P3D
Yellonet Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 I was just thinking the other day... Why isn't there a Middle East theater? I'm pretty sure (besides Georgia) that's the only place in the world where any 'real' war is being made. Wouldn't it be fantastic to fly over Iraq providing CAS? I'm reading a great book right now about Hog Squadrons in the Gulf War of 91'. Those Hog Drivers had lots of stuff to shoot at. I don't think a present day Iraw campaign would be much fun at all tbh. Repetative missions, probably a rather limited munitions usage, no real threats.. And obviously, back in 91' it was the 'A' that was used and we have the 'C' and that war was also very one-sided, sure it was "exciting" for the real pilots there, but for a sim pilot such a campaign would probably not be as interesting. No, I'd much prefer a made up but believable and well designed present day campaign between two more balanced adversaries. It just makes for a whole lot more fun missions and scenarios. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Bucic Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 (edited) DCS should feature every possible AI airframe that can be put there in a decent quality. Simple as that. The limits on airframes used in a mission should depend... on the mission :doh: and mission creator's scenario and/or date (to establish which airframes were in service in particular time frame) In other words - limiting airframes on a platform level (DCS is a platform in a sense) is simply pointless. Edited November 22, 2010 by Bucic F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
636_Castle Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 I don't think a present day Iraw campaign would be much fun at all tbh. Repetative missions, probably a rather limited munitions usage, no real threats.. And obviously, back in 91' it was the 'A' that was used and we have the 'C' and that war was also very one-sided, sure it was "exciting" for the real pilots there, but for a sim pilot such a campaign would probably not be as interesting. No, I'd much prefer a made up but believable and well designed present day campaign between two more balanced adversaries. It just makes for a whole lot more fun missions and scenarios. If you're going to insist on a fictional campaign, why not have it in a real war zone where the A-10 has actually seen a bit of action? Probably will never happen unless the extra development work is willing to be put in, but it'd be cool to at least see some more modern aircraft out there in the AI. Until then, I'm really getting a kick out of strafing with F-14 tomcats in the A-10 :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
leafer Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 I was just thinking the other day... Why isn't there a Middle East theater? I'm pretty sure (besides Georgia) that's the only place in the world where any 'real' war is being made. Wouldn't it be fantastic to fly over Iraq providing CAS? I'm reading a great book right now about Hog Squadrons in the Gulf War of 91'. Those Hog Drivers had lots of stuff to shoot at. Someone is creating a 3rd party middle eastern map. Personally, I would rather fly an Apache in that war. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
shawnyp420 Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 The 104th used the A-10C in Afghanistan out of Bagram. That's the perfect place for a Hog pilot. Lots of opportunities with the gun. Here's a pic of Bagram with A-10s on the tarmac. AMD Ryzen 5 3600, ASUS X570-PLUS, NVidia RTX 2080, 32GB DDR4 @2400MHz, Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Corsair H100i cooler, Oculus Rift S.
StrongHarm Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 From the manual: In support of Operation Iraqi Freedom, 60 National Guard and Reserve A-10s from various squadrons were deployed to the region in support of the initial ground offensive. Despite losing one aircraft to hostile fire late in the operation, A-10s provided valuable CAS to rapidly advancing forces and contributed to the rate of advance. In addition to traditional CAS operations, A-10 units also conducted BAI along the line of advance. A-10 units concluded the operation with a 85% mission capable rate and fired 311,597 rounds of 30 mm gun ammunition. In late 2007, the Maryland ANG 104th FS took the A-10C into combat for the first time. A-10 operations in Afghanistan have been operating from Bagram airfield and a continual rotation of A-10 squadrons has conducted operations from Bagram to locations all around Afghanistan. More so than ODS and OAF, A-10 operations in Afghanistan have focused heavily on CAS and AFAC missions. As with the Iraqi theater, the A-10C has been also been deployed operationally to Afghanistan. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
Weaponz248 Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Just cause you have a present day Iraq map dosent mean you need to model the campaign the same as the real one. I thin kit would be cool to have an Iran map and fight a future war. Just having a map of something present day beside what we have would be cool I think
Weaponz248 Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 The 104th used the A-10C in Afghanistan out of Bagram. That's the perfect place for a Hog pilot. Lots of opportunities with the gun. Here's a pic of Bagram with A-10s on the tarmac. This pic is over 4 years old i do believe....A-10s dont fly out of Bagram any more
Eddie Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 This pic is over 4 years old i do believe....A-10s dont fly out of Bagram any more Indeed, they are now at my current location. Getting to see them every day is one of the few perks in fact, still haven't managed to be in the right place to see what they have hanging off the plyons though. There are a few theatres in the works by very good modders, including Afghanistan (Northern region I beleive). So in time we'll have a good selection of regions to fly over and blow stuff up.
Weaponz248 Posted November 24, 2010 Posted November 24, 2010 Indeed, they are now at my current location. Getting to see them every day is one of the few perks in fact, still haven't managed to be in the right place to see what they have hanging off the plyons though. There are a few theatres in the works by very good modders, including Afghanistan (Northern region I beleive). So in time we'll have a good selection of regions to fly over and blow stuff up. I could tell you close too what they have hanging because i just got back from there in sept........
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