War in Korea?

[159th_Viper]

SK need to order a limited punitive strike on NK> Wipe out one of their bases sounds good enough to me.

 

And that's exactly what NK is waiting for........Violence begets violence.

[Mustang]

SK were carrying out naval exercises prior to this attack, are they still carrying on with them i wonder?

[Steel Jaw]

Violence begets violence.

 

On the other hand, unscrupulous and immoral dictators need to be destroyed.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

...while N. Koreans are able to take active actions.

Then, why were you talking about "obsolete equipment"?

 

The question is what we want to do and what we are doing with North Korea, not what "li'l" Kim does to attract more "attention". We defeated Soviet Union that was hundreds of times stronger and many times bigger then li'l Kim and his kingdom. With North Korea, we need to play smart, and that means more then just using hammer for every job out there.

[RIPTIDE]

And that's exactly what NK is waiting for........Violence begets violence.

Sk has already retaliated with artillery barrage.

 

 

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last”

 

 

;)

[RIPTIDE]

Then, why were you talking about "obsolete equipment"?

 

The question is what we want to do and what we are doing with North Korea, not what "li'l" Kim does to attract more "attention". We defeated Soviet Union that was hundreds of times stronger and many times bigger then li'l Kim and his kingdom. With North Korea, we need to play smart, and that means more then just using hammer for every job out there.

Their equipment is obsolete in the sense that a scoped M1 Garand still makes a fine rifle and can kill very well, albeit obsolete. But in terms of an air war they will suffer heavily. They have the ability to cause substantial damage initially with their vast amount of artillery, but in the end they would be come out the losers on the back foot.

[636_Castle]

North Korea shells South Korea w/ Arty - 11/23

 

DO NOT START A POLITICS ARGUMENT IN THIS THREAD, PLEASE!

 

I saw this headline this morning, and thought it was very important news. I really hope forum mods and other forum members can understand I'm simply making it known, and NOT trying to get into politics. We all have flight suit collars here, not white collars.

 

North Korea fired arty rounds on a South Korean island on Tuesday, killing at least 2 marines and sending civilians into a panic. South Korea scrambled jets, and returns artillery fire.

 

INCHEON, South Korea (AP) — North and South Korea exchanged artillery fire Tuesday after the North shelled an island near their disputed sea border, killing at least two South Korean marines, setting dozens of buildings ablaze and sending civilians fleeing for shelter.

 

The clash, which put South Korea's military on high alert, was one of the rivals' most dramatic confrontations since the Korean War ended, and one of the few to put civilians at risk, though no nonmilitary deaths were immediately reported. Fifteen South Korean soldiers and three civilians were injured and the extent of casualties on the northern side was unknown.

 

The skirmish began when Pyongyang warned the South to halt military drills in the area, according to South Korean officials. When Seoul refused and began firing artillery into disputed waters, albeit away from the North Korean shore, the North retaliated by bombarding the small island of Yeonpyeong, which houses South Korean military installations and a small civilian population.

 

"I thought I would die," said Lee Chun-ok, 54, an islander who said she was watching TV in her home when the shelling began. Suddenly, a wall and door collapsed.

 

"I was really, really terrified," she told The Associated Press after being evacuated to the port city of Incheon, west of Seoul, "and I'm still terrified."

 

South Korea responded by firing K-9 155mm self-propelled howitzers and dispatching fighter jets. Officials in Seoul said there could be considerable North Korean casualties. The entire skirmish lasted about an hour.

 

Each side has threatened the other against another attack.

 

The escalating tensions focused global attention on the tiny island and sent stock prices down sharply worldwide. The dollar, U.S. Treasury prices and gold all rose as investors sought safe places to park money. Hong Kong's main stock index sank 2.7 percent, while European and U.S. stock indexes fell between 1 and 2 percent. The Dow Jones industrial average fell 165 points in afternoon trading, or 1.5 percent.

 

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who convened an emergency security meeting shortly after the initial bombardment, said that an "indiscriminate attack on civilians can never be tolerated."

 

"Enormous retaliation should be made to the extent that (North Korea) cannot make provocations again," he said.

 

The United States, which has more than 28,000 troops stationed in South Korea, condemned the attack. In Washington, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs called on North Korea to "halt its belligerent action," and said the U.S. is committed to South Korea's defense.

 

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned North Korea's artillery attack, calling it "one of the gravest incidents since the end of the Korean War," his spokesman Martin Nesirky said. Ban called for "immediate restraint" and insisted "any differences should be resolved by peaceful means and dialogue," the spokesman said.

 

The supreme military command in Pyongyang threatened more strikes if the South crossed their maritime border by "even 0.001 millimeter," according to the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

 

South Korea holds military exercises like Tuesday's off the west coast about every three months.

 

A statement from the North said it was merely "reacting to the military provocation of the puppet group with a prompt powerful physical strike," and accused Seoul of starting the skirmish with its "reckless military provocation as firing dozens of shells inside the territorial waters of the" North.

 

Government officials in Seoul called North Korea's bombardments "inhumane atrocities" that violated the 1953 armistice halting the Korean War. The two sides technically remain at war because a peace treaty was never signed, and nearly 2 million troops — including tens of thousands from the U.S. — are positioned on both sides of the world's most heavily militarized border.

 

The exchange represents a sharp escalation of the skirmishes that flare up along the disputed border from time to time. It also comes amid high tensions over the North's apparent progress in its quest for nuclear weapons — Pyongyang claims it has a new uranium enrichment facility — and six weeks after North Korean leader Kim Jong Il anointed his youngest son, Kim Jong Un, as the heir apparent.

 

"It brings us one step closer to the brink of war," said Peter Beck, a research fellow with the Council on Foreign Relations, "because I don't think the North would seek war by intention, but war by accident, something spiraling out of control has always been my fear."

 

Columns of thick black smoke rose from homes on the island, video from YTN cable TV showed. Screams and shouts filled the air as shells rained down on the island just south of the disputed sea border.

Edited November 23, 2010 by 636_Castle

[Steel Jaw]

There is no point in posting this if you do not seek debate. We can all read the news.

[RIPTIDE]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=62257

 

Already posted.

[636_Castle]

We can all post whatever we think is necessary too, Mower. I personally didn't know about it until now - I've been deicing runways for the past 18 hours. Lock the thread, I don't care. I just wanted to let eveyone out of the loop know.

 

Thanks riptide, didn't see that. Perhaps that was a better forum category.

[636_Castle]

This reminds me of the Falcon 4 campaign.

 

It is bad news though. My thoughts are with the innocent families involved and marine(s) killed in the initial fire.

[kylania]

I've been deicing runways for the past 18 hours.

 

That sounds incredibly fun and enjoyable. :helpsmilie:

[diveplane]

nice xmas this will be more wars.. sigh. mankind just cany get along.

 

raw footage shelling

Edited November 23, 2010 by 159th_Viper

[sungsam]

This is discrace. We actually talking about a civil war, a war between people of the same nation, so sad to me ! I think the minds of people in Korea have stop operating along time ago. I don't know what feeds this illness. So sad ! I dont know .... I may talk bullshits, but thats how I feel about ...

Edited November 23, 2010 by sungsam

[diveplane]

north korea hell march ,

 

i was shocked girls with ak47s dang

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp6cB7BGj48

[Cooch]

North Korean leader is dying and wants to get some attention before he goes. I bet he's willing to put his people at risk (no surprise there) for personal satisfaction.

 

I'm almost certain things will escalate there because that old fool wants to be front page CNN.

 

Then according to all reports for him to get on CNN he needs to go on Dancing with the Stars and compete.

[GGTharos]

Nationalism and racism, actually.

 

This is discrace. We actually talking about a civil war, a war between people of the same nation, so sad to me ! I think the minds of people in Korea have stop operating along time ago. I don't know what feeds this illness. So sad ! I dont know .... I may talk bullshits, but thats how I feel about ...

[RIPTIDE]

Hey wheres my posts! :D

 

EDIT: Ah I found them.

[Pilotasso]

NK too dangerous to be kept unchecked. Thats the sad reality.

[Groove]

Turning a Korean Pennisula Topic into a debate about the problems in Middle East.

 

You guys amaze me again and again.

 

Please stay on topic - no politics.

Edited November 23, 2010 by Groove

[hassata]

You guys amaze me again and again.

 

We aim to please :D

[Speed]

Whats funny is that some say how crappy/obsolete/ineffective the DRPK armed forces is, yet at the same time we're terrified of going to war with them :)

 

The military is not terrified of going to war, it's just that NK could potentially devastate or at least, cause a lot of damage to south Korea with their artillery. Furthermore, while their missiles may be insufficient to deliver nukes, and a DPRK bomber would proably never be able to make it past ROK and US air defenses and fighters, they could perhaps slip one onto a submarine and plant it in somewhere like Pusan. So it's the ROK civilians that are in danger. They could also easily fire radiological artillery shells.

 

I tend to think that if we invaded the DPRK, all we would have to do is hand out actual food and the DPRK civilians would love us. Eating human flesh and the bark off trees gets old after a while.

 

But yea, the US can't really afford a third war at this point, literally. Some "fun" facts about the US national debt:

 

If printed off in $1 bills:

-Stacked on top of each other, it would make a "phat stack" over three times the height of the earth-moon distance.

-if you taped those 13-14 trillion $1 bills end to end, you could tie it around the Sun and stretch it a few hundred million miles past SATURN, OR just wrap it around the earth's equator over 50 thousand times

If it was owed in gold bullion, at today's prices, we would owe about three Nimitz supercarriers weight in gold bullion, which is about the same weight as all the gold ever mined in the history of the human race.

 

So no, we can't afford another war.

Edited November 23, 2010 by Speed

[Cali]

Whats funny is that some say how crappy/obsolete/ineffective the DRPK armed forces is, yet at the same time we're terrified of going to war with them :)

 

Who is scared to go to war with them?

[Steel Jaw]

NPRK rolls south we neednt worry: they cant feed themselves, their divisions will all stampede to Walmarts and grocery stores.

[Mustang]

Who is scared to go to war with them?

 

SK and the US was what i was thinking, who else would there be?