stormrider Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can someone explain the differences between them? I reckon they're both designed for the same purpose, both day/night, all weather armor eating machines, but then, why does the russians need 2 different attack helo to execute the same mission? Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) They are not purposed to same missions now. Serial Ka-50 is poor chopper compared to Mi-28N in terms of avionics, capabilities ect. Details on forum in many threads :) Edited February 22, 2011 by Boberro Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garengarch Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 why do russians need two...? oh like super cobra and apache you mean? :p Vega 2700x /16Gb ram/480Gb SSD/1Tb Seagate/nVidia 2080/Win 10 64 bit Rift. T-flight pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKLronin Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 why do russians need two...? Weren´t Kamov and Mil in a competition to build a attack helicopter and those two came out of this contest? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06JN7p-_y24 It was somewhere in this Documentary Beginnng in part 4 of 5 and continuing in 5 of 5. I suggest to watch the whole Soldiers and Worker part of this documentary. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) In big short IIRC Mil and Kamov have been in competition. Kamov had won but mean time USSR collapsed and Rubels for Ka-50 were cut. Ka-50 is in "coma". Doctrine also changed and one pilot chopper was not so good against battlefield due to heavy pilot overload... you had to fly carefully, search targets, be aware of enemy... that all in one time. Later when Russia had a bit better economy Ka-50 returned but it was too old... showed Mi-28 and it won. Quite many things in RuAF have been rejected (or their build\upgrade progress was very slow example MiG-29 versions) due to out of funding... Ka-50, Su-25T\M, MiG 1.44 ect... Currently as far I know Ka-50s are prepared for low-threat task only, setting Mi-28N as primary chopper. Edited February 22, 2011 by Boberro Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikoyan Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 mmm. but the mi-28 looks so heavy; what about the recent crashes I wonder if that is going to affect the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanir Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What I read at one of the current-news aviation sites around the place was that in service, following continuing military reorganisation, being in smaller numbers but with greater capabilities and the two-man crew the Mi-28 is ideally used as a controller aircraft for flights of Ka-50 during significant commitments. So they'd be used together, you might have 4-6 Ka-50 under a Mi-28 which will be flying at a higher altitude as a combat equipped command unit. Helicopter units are such a major feature of the Russian army's combat force this wouldn't surprise me, closest NATO parallel would have to be the USMC air forces, I get the impression the Russians think of their helicopter force, formerly "the independent air units" in the same way as the US Marines with their Hornets and Harriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPTIDE Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What I read at one of the current-news aviation sites around the place was that in service, following continuing military reorganisation, being in smaller numbers but with greater capabilities and the two-man crew the Mi-28 is ideally used as a controller aircraft for flights of Ka-50 during significant commitments. So they'd be used together, you might have 4-6 Ka-50 under a Mi-28 which will be flying at a higher altitude as a combat equipped command unit. Helicopter units are such a major feature of the Russian army's combat force this wouldn't surprise me, closest NATO parallel would have to be the USMC air forces, I get the impression the Russians think of their helicopter force, formerly "the independent air units" in the same way as the US Marines with their Hornets and Harriers. This doctrine if it existed before the Afghan-Soviet War, was certainly widened and put into practice there. Typically as the war drew on it turned into each side ambushing the others convoys, and in the case of the Soviets, ambushing the Mujahideen Caravans. A lot of the time this would have been done without ground support. Typically a multiship of maybe 7-8 Hinds would hunt down and destroy a supply caravan from Pakistan. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arneh Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 What I read at one of the current-news aviation sites around the place was that in service, following continuing military reorganisation, being in smaller numbers but with greater capabilities and the two-man crew the Mi-28 is ideally used as a controller aircraft for flights of Ka-50 during significant commitments. So they'd be used together, you might have 4-6 Ka-50 under a Mi-28 which will be flying at a higher altitude as a combat equipped command unit. I think it's the Ka-52 which is intended for that controller role, not the Mi-28. Yes, the Russians are having even another attack helicopter in limited numbers, the Ka-52! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHunter Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I think it's the Ka-52 which is intended for that controller role, not the Mi-28. Yes, the Russians are having even another attack helicopter in limited numbers, the Ka-52! Yes! КА-50 is no more, will only Mi-28N and Ka-52 (reconnaissance-strike and command post for the Mi-28N) VZXExzMHGXo CcpUdxlgliA&feature=related Edited February 24, 2011 by AlexHunter Открылась бездна звезд полна; Звездам числа нет, бездне дна. (М. В. Ломоносов) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 Thanks for the answers guys, appreciated! Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHunter Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) KA-52 cockpit :) KA-52 Edited February 24, 2011 by AlexHunter 4 Открылась бездна звезд полна; Звездам числа нет, бездне дна. (М. В. Ломоносов) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 KA-52 cockpit :) KA-52 wowowowow! Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avilator Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Why the (apparently) immobile stick grip in the center? I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakobi Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Why the (apparently) immobile stick grip in the center? I would think it is the throttle for the right seated pilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 No, there's no "throttle" that you operate in that bird. EEG handles throttle settings. What you are thinking about is the collective, which is not a throttle. The collective is visible as the panel with hats and switches at the same height as the center switch panel. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 What is that pod under? Anyone knows exact name of it? Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avilator Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 No, there's no "throttle" that you operate in that bird. EEG handles throttle settings. What you are thinking about is the collective, which is not a throttle. The collective is visible as the panel with hats and switches at the same height as the center switch panel. I can see the collective, but why is there another grip besides the collective and cyclic? Is the third grip duplicated for the other crew member? I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I think the grip in the middle is to control the pod underneath the KA52, like move it up and down and sideways etc. I would love for ED to model this bird in Blackshark, it just looks sooo lovely and clean looking on the inside compared to the KA50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben1101 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Can see what looks like the autopilot channels at the top left of the center console, small left hand cyclic thing looks like the controls for the optical sensor suite (which is the BIG ball under the nose) and it looks like it is static so probably hat slew or HMS only. Is there Radar hidden inside that big nose? Also, Why do they ALWAYS cover up the left hand side of the HUD? specially in all the older KA-50 pics. Edited March 1, 2011 by ben1101 i5 4690K, GTX1070, 24GB 1800mhz, HP WMR, Custom FFB helicopter controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migow Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I think the grip in the middle is to control the pod underneath the KA52, like move it up and down and sideways etc. I would love for ED to model this bird in Blackshark, it just looks sooo lovely and clean looking on the inside compared to the KA50. it's a replica of cyclic(static doesn't move) it doesn't interfere with pilot cyclic when the gunner use it to move the optic VEAF 735th - www.veaf.org - Formateur Ka50 Escadrille Francophone évoluant sur DCS. En savoir plus : http://www.veaf.org/fr/735-escadrille-virtuelle-dcs-fancaise Nous rejoindre : http://www.veaf.org/fr/nous-rejoindre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Also, Why do they ALWAYS cover up the left hand side of the HUD? specially in all the older KA-50 pics. "Nothing to see here, move along people". ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) ... Edited March 1, 2011 by bumfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimes Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 In Bizzaro world "US Fixed Wing Aircraft" really means "coaxial tandem Russian Helicopter" BIZZARO! The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTWD Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Also, Why do they ALWAYS cover up the left hand side of the HUD? specially in all the older KA-50 pics. Well there is only one hud in that bird (look at the one with it flying, the right hand seat doesn't have a HUD). So I imagine they cover it to keep the build up of dust/dirt down to a minimum. Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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