Improved IR Image (TGP IR)

[RichardG]

Why are the trees hot? A tank/truck/infantry in the woods would stick out like a sore thumb with a thermal imager, but in game the trees seem to be as hot as a target heat source (if WHOT, they are white, if BHOT, they are black) When the opposite should be true (in WHOT, trees should be black, in BHOT trees should be white). As is, it pretty much eliminates the true IR spotting capability, other than its ability to see in the dark.

 

It looks to me like a photographic negative image, and not a true IR image at all. I suspect because of lazy coding? I don't know, just thinking out loud. I use a thermal imager at work.

 

Here is vid of someone in the woods with WHOT. Notice the trees aren't hot. This isn't what one sees in the game. Theres plenty others to see on the net.

 

Edited March 13, 2011 by RichardG

[luza]

IR signature isn't always directly linked to heat god damnit

[MadTommy]

If the FLIR in game is true to real life.. then real life FLIR sucks.. :P

 

Trees on fire, rivers of lava..some fields hot some not.. wacky stuff these FLIRS...

 

(the fact that you called ED lazy and referenced youtube.. I hope you are warning flame proof clothing, two things that always go down badly here. ;))

Edited March 13, 2011 by MadTommy

[Haukka81]

It's just wip.

 

 

 

-haukka81

[Conure]

It's just wip.

 

 

 

-haukka81

 

Love your quote :D

[Seanner]

In light of this new video I retract my post!

Edited March 13, 2011 by Seanner

[Peyoteros]

Before it escalates, here is a real life TGP Litening II images. As you can see not that much different from what you have in the sim.

:huh:

 

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6568/hhn.mp4

Edited March 13, 2011 by Peyoteros

[MadTommy]

Before it escalates, here is a real life TGP Litening II images. As you can see not that much diferent from what you have in the sim.

:huh:

 

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6568/hhn.mp4

 

Thanks

[Eddie]

I use a thermal imager at work.

 

Here is vid of someone in the woods with WHOT. Notice the trees aren't hot. This isn't what one sees in the game. Theres plenty others to see on the net.

 

I'm sure you do, but that thermal camera you use is nothing like the IR camera in the LITENING II/III/G4, Sniper XR or any other targeting pod.

 

Using hardware commercially available to civilian companies/individuals is not a good measure of the accuracy of the systems in the sim.

 

Having seen pod imagery from LITENING (albeit III rather than II) and Sniper XR, I'd say it's pretty damn close. Not perfect by any means, but close enough.

 

EDIT: as proven by Peyoteros' video.

[Mugenjin]

Before it escalates, here is a real life TGP Litening II images. As you can see not that much different from what you have in the sim.

:huh:

 

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6568/hhn.mp4

 

Admit it that's footage from the next DCS module :megalol:

[Eight Ball]

Before it escalates, here is a real life TGP Litening II images.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6568/hhn.mp4

 

Woh, impressive footage you got there.

 

Sometimes the use of bombs seems a bit disproportionned

1:08 = Huge bomb (GBU10 ?) on a small house

And at 1:32 = A bomb for a single man :huh:

 

Is there any explication why ?

[MrYenko]

Admit it that's footage from the next DCS module :megalol:

 

They're gonna get me for ANOTHER $60?

:joystick:

[S77th-konkussion]

There seemed to be some color in that WHOT display.. near the end of the clip.. Green treetops or vegetation... That a Sniper TGP?

 

I would have to say that WHOT in DCS seems a slightly whitewashed more often than not.. but yes it is close.

[Eddie]

Woh, impressive footage you got there.

 

Sometimes the use of bombs seems a bit disproportionned

1:08 = Huge bomb (GBU10 ?) on a small house

And at 1:32 = A bomb for a single man :huh:

 

Is there any explication why ?

 

That's only a 500lb (GBU-12/38). :D A 2000lb bomb is much, much bigger.

 

If it's the best weapon for the target, then that's what you use. Proportionality doesn't come into the equation.

[SimFreak]

Before it escalates, here is a real life TGP Litening II images. As you can see not that much different from what you have in the sim.

:huh:

 

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6568/hhn.mp4

 

 

WOW! That's one awesome video. Thanks!

[Eddie]

There seemed to be some color in that WHOT display.. near the end of the clip.. Green treetops or vegetation... That a Sniper TGP?

 

I would have to say that WHOT in DCS seems a slightly whitewashed more often than not.. but yes it is close.

 

Try adjusting your GAIN and LEVEL settings. ;)

[RichardG]

Your video proves my point. Theres a quick shot of a man standing under a tree. The man is jet black (its in BHOT), the tree is light grey, hes very easy to see. In game, the trees and the targets are the same damn color.

 

Gain and level adjusts the whole image brightness, I've done that, not really what I'm talking about. Its the image polarity thats screwed up. But not the whole image, just the vegetation I think.

Edited March 13, 2011 by RichardG

[Peyoteros]

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/Sniper/SniperVideo1.html

 

use triangle at the top to skip to the next video.

 

There seemed to be some color in that WHOT display.. near the end of the clip.. Green treetops or vegetation... That a Sniper TGP?

 

I would have to say that WHOT in DCS seems a slightly whitewashed more often than not.. but yes it is close.

Edited March 13, 2011 by Peyoteros

[Peyoteros]

It also depends on the distance to the target...

 

Your video proves my point. Theres a quick shot of a man standing under a tree. The man is jet black (its in BHOT), the tree is light grey, hes very easy to see. In game, the trees and the targets are the same damn color.

 

Gain and level adjusts the whole image brightness, I've done that, not really what I'm talking about. Its the image polarity thats screwed up. But not the whole image, just the vegetation I think.

Edited March 13, 2011 by Peyoteros

[Moa]

I'd guess they'd also use the best option of the ordinance they were carrying at the time (eg. if they were on station for hours waiting for calls they would probably have a general-purpose CAS payload, and a bomb might have been the best option out of what they were hauling at the time).

[Prophet]

IR signature isn't always directly linked to heat god damnit

 

Actually it is. Heat = IR. :thumbup:

 

Regardless, not sure what some of you expect. Modeling an accurate FLIR system would be pretty difficult. I think they are just using a separate texture set.

 

IRL it depends on the system and level of technology. When I used the thermal site on the TOW system, it was at times very difficult to spot a vehicle in the trees. Trees can hold a lot of heat.

[Apples]

Before it escalates, here is a real life TGP Litening II images. As you can see not that much different from what you have in the sim.

:huh:

 

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6568/hhn.mp4

 

Thanks for sharing that video is Sweet. If only we had explosions like that omg.

[Le0kong]

For me FLIR just need some fine-tunning.

 

At 1:30 on that video you can see the trees, but only the trees outline, there's no 'texture' in them. On DCS the trees texture is very visible and sharp, it could look more like in the video by simply being blurred or of lower resolution. Another thing is making all trees of the same light levels, on this screenshot some are white others black.

 

[Eight Ball]

If it's the best weapon for the target, then that's what you use. Proportionality doesn't come into the equation.

 

I'll keep that in mind next time I'm wasting my time with my GAU8 on some damn grunt.

GBU/JDAM all the way :D

[Garfieldo]

Before it escalates, here is a real life TGP Litening II images. As you can see not that much different from what you have in the sim.

:huh:

 

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6568/hhn.mp4

 

 

Looks like the TGP is very often used in "Both" mode to lase/point. I got used to using both types in multiplayer to enhance everybody's SA, nice to know it's done in the real world, too.