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Username455 · July 4, 2011

Hey all,

can someone point me in the direction of a basic flight guide? I am having more and more trouble lately flying "well". I can only make a level turn extremely slowly, and even then its not smooth. I constantly stall, or at least get the beep warning.

and trying the ILS landing, I can not for the life of me keep my aircraft in the air. It just drops and drops even though im holding back on the stick. but the donut is there! my speed is right?

I probably need to configure curve settings as well, because I have a hard time lining up the aircraft with waypoints or targets. by the way, is it normal to be able to pull back on the stick more than pushing it forward? I can climb (and stall) real quick, but diving takes noticebly longer.

anyways, some sort of help guide would be nice. The manual doesnt talk about flying too much and I suck at it. rant over

Quirkitized · July 4, 2011

Do you have forcefeedback on with a non-FFB stick? If so, turn it off. Also, you will consistently be needing to trim the aircraft.

EtherealN · July 4, 2011

I'll see if I can find a basic flight guide, though if memory serves there are some good information in the manual.

Regarding the beep warning, that one should not necessarily be avoided: the solid tone indicates that stall is imminent, the beeper tells you that you are close but, more importantly, you are pretty much at max rate. This is desirable if doing evasive maneuvers.

The donut (if it is what I think you mean) is angle of attack, not speed.

If you fly around a bit - do a takeoff from runway, make some maneuvers, and then head in for landing - and then save the track (in debrief screen, press "Save Track"), and upload the track here I can take a look and see if I can find some specific pointers. I can then also re-fly the track and do it myself and see if that can help you.

genbrien · July 4, 2011

also dont try to do a 90 degree turn with full fuel +payload ;)

and remember, power is altitude, and attitude is speed. So if you drop to fast on landing, add power.

EtherealN · July 4, 2011

Something that may not be applicable fully depending on controller choice when it comes to landing is airbrakes: I typically land with airbrakes roughly half-way out. If I find I need more power I close them which, on the TM Hog HOTAS, can be done in a quick flip with the thumb since the rocker will stick there. This will add lift very quickly which is nice since it does take a few moments for the engines to spool to a new power setting.

Frostiken · July 4, 2011

Honestly don't worry too much about the AOA donut - you'll be able to land and stop just fine without perfect form - focus on just getting the aircraft down without damage first. Watch your VVI to ensure you're not landing like this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5CXlEALJ0

cichlidfan · July 4, 2011

I probably need to configure curve settings as well, because I have a hard time lining up the aircraft with waypoints or targets. by the way, is it normal to be able to pull back on the stick more than pushing it forward? I can climb (and stall) real quick, but diving takes noticebly longer.

First, welcome to the lousy pilot club!;)

If you are like me then the curves may very well help. Especially if that level turn thing is because you have trouble holding your bank angle. It helped me anyway, but I REALLY sucked when I first got this thing.

Here is the info from the FAQ on setting curves...it's a good place to start.

Q: Why are my controls too sensitive?
A: The default axis settings for the stick and be a bit touchy for some. If you feel this is the case or you. we suggest:
1- Select Options from Main Menu
2- Select Controls tab
3- From Category drop down list, select Axis Commands
4- Select Pitch for JOY Y and then press Axis Tune button
5- Set JOY Y Deadzone to 10 and Curvature to 30
6- Press Ok button
4- Select Roll for JOY X and then press Axis Tune button
5- Set JOY X Deadzone to 10 and Curvature to 30
6- Press Ok button
7- Press Ok button at bottom of screen to save changes.

The other thing is the trim issue, if your nose is a little high to begin with and you are accelerating at all, the nose is going to want to go up more than down. You will need to trim the plane quite frequently.

Take it up a little ways, 2000ft or so, and practice flying slow. I don't remember whose advice that was but it did help. Also, there are two stall warning beeps. The contimuous tone means you are right at the edge, but still OK. When it starts chattering that is when bad things are going to happen Real Soon Now.

Hope that is of some help.

genbrien · July 4, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5CXlEALJ0

:huh:back must hurt soooo much.....

Quirkitized · July 4, 2011

Honestly don't worry too much about the AOA donut - you'll be able to land and stop just fine without perfect form - focus on just getting the aircraft down without damage first. Watch your VVI to ensure you're not landing like this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5CXlEALJ0

Wow it looks like he was going twice as fast as needed for a landing, crazy

slug88 · July 4, 2011

Username, what's your airspeed when you're doing all this? From your description it sounds like you just might not be giving it enough throttle.

slug88 · July 4, 2011

but the donut is there! my speed is right?

Just to reiterate what ethereal said, dont is angle of attack, not speed.

by the way, is it normal to be able to pull back on the stick more than pushing it forward? I can climb (and stall) real quick, but diving takes noticebly longer.

Yes this is normal. You have more authority to pull positive g's than negative g's. In fact, the aircraft doesn't do so well pulling sustained negative g's; I believe you can get engine flameouts due to loss of fuel pressure.

Username455 · July 4, 2011

Thanks everyone for quick replies! gotta love this community.

I will work on getting a basic track of takeoff/maneuvers/landing so you guys can watch. I will also try a curve of 30, although that sounds a bit high.

and... utter facepalm with the donut. sorry, dunno why I thought it was speed.

my airspeed when landing is usually 120 or so, with no payload. When I go faster, I generally bounce. and when I add the little flare at the end, I usually just gain altitude haha :(

Frostiken · July 4, 2011

Also, don't be afraid to overshoot your approach if you have to - the A-10 can stop in a fairly short distance (though mostly due to the fact that you can fly the approach at 110 kts and still be outside the stall envelope). Stand on the brakes if you have to.

I have noticed that ILS tends to bring you in a little hard, at least at Batumi - I rely on ILS for the localizer to ensure I'm lined up with the runway (pretty important I'd say) and the glideslope mostly just for the first half of the leg, as being too high at that point can result in some nasty corrective maneuvering towards the end.

Flaring at the end shouldn't gain you altitude, but it should slow your rate of decent - this smooths out your curve to a solid landing as well as bleeds speed. If you're gaining altitude when flaring, it usually means your speed is simply too high for your given AOA. Mostly it's because you can go slower still, but it can also mean that your AOA isn't steep enough.

Typically I approach with flaps down, speedbrakes at about 25% (retracting them can gain you some quick speed). I shoot with my TVV roughly at the edge of the runway, and then lead it out just before landing (so if my flare is a little long I don't land halfway down the runway). Once down, throttle completely back, extend speedbrakes all the way, and coast until about 90kts, then slowly apply wheelbrakes. I'm unsure if hot brakes are modeled, but if they are, gradual application and only at low speeds should avoid the condition. If not, just stomp on them. Engage NWS at 60kts.

I personally have a real problem with control - I tend to get minor oscillations on approach, and once on the runway I have a seriously hard ****ing time staying in a straight line. I have rudder curves set up but with differential brakes even just putting a bit too much pressure on one brake will cause me to veer around (kind of why I like the 'all or nothing' approach to the wheelbrakes).

Anyway, try less technical landings first - hell, start with the least technical landing of all - simply try to fly on to the runway with your gear down. And practice, practice, practice. If you land, and you're on the runway, pull in the speedbrakes, throttle up, and go-around for another touch-and-go. This is also a nice way to learn if your landings are too hard, because I've noticed that wheels tend to accrue damage - if you're "doing it wrong" eventually you'll blow a tire, and then it gets interesting... though all things considered it's not *that* hard to land with a blown tire.

Also turn off birds until you're comfortable.

Edited July 4, 2011 by Frostiken

cichlidfan · July 4, 2011

This is also a nice way to learn if your landings are too hard, because I've noticed that wheels tend to accrue damage - if you're "doing it wrong" eventually you'll blow a tire, and then it gets interesting... though all things considered it's not *that* hard to land with a blown tire.

You can land pretty hard with out hurting it (BTW, from my experience you can't overheat the brakes...it would have happened to me by now). Keep in mind, if the pilot lives and the plane is not on fire, you did OK.

Landing hard can really slam your hydraulics though so "touch and stay" is sometimes What you get.

Just do make sure to ALWAYS put the landing gear DOWN!;)

159th_Viper · July 4, 2011

Just do make sure to ALWAYS put the landing gear DOWN!;)

Apologies for the slight OT here, but have a look at this emergency landing: Picture-perfect:

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Frostiken · July 4, 2011

Christ I can't even land with a crosswind without veering all over like a drunk, this guy glided the plane two inches about the centerline without even a tiny wiggle.

Fakum · July 6, 2011

Since im reading, I always have issue with rudder, I try not to use it really, but have to on occassion. Its typically to sensative! I tap it a bit and the hog starts to wobble. I have played with curves here and there but never really accomplish what I set out to do. set the curves fairly well and I pretty much loose my nose wheel steering turning radious.

Nu-NRG · July 6, 2011

Since im reading, I always have issue with rudder, I try not to use it really, but have to on occassion. Its typically to sensative! I tap it a bit and the hog starts to wobble. I have played with curves here and there but never really accomplish what I set out to do. set the curves fairly well and I pretty much loose my nose wheel steering turning radious.

I have 5 dead zone and 35 curvature on rudder pedals and I find it just nice to control. As well as nose wheel steering. Granted mainly needed when i'm banking or when in crosswind

VMFA117_Poko · July 6, 2011

Apologies for the slight OT here, but have a look at this emergency landing: Picture-perfect:

Beautifull indeed :thumbup:

Frostiken · July 7, 2011

I have 5 dead zone and 35 curvature on rudder pedals and I find it just nice to control. As well as nose wheel steering. Granted mainly needed when i'm banking or when in crosswind

Yeah, curves are essential for yaw but I don't even like them that much. Curves just don't work too well, esp. for NWS.

They're fine for fine adjustments but there's always a part where suddenly you start applying a LOT of yaw (since it's a curve). If you adjust the curve to compensate you risk making the high-end of the curve unusable, which means you're artificially limiting your yaw authority.

There's not really a solution to it but to find something tolerable. I hate when I'm making yaw corrections and then I'll cross the threshhold and suddenly I'm applying WAY too much.

What would really be nice are two different yaw settings, either toggleable or one just for NWS and one for rudders. That way I could have super-fine pedal control on the ground while maintaining full authority in the air.

cichlidfan · July 7, 2011

What would really be nice are two different yaw settings, either toggleable or one just for NWS and one for rudders. That way I could have super-fine pedal control on the ground while maintaining full authority in the air.

I could have used that yesterday...

I just got my rudder pedals, was using the X-52 twist before, and roached the landing after an hour and half of nice flying. Oversteered with the brakes/steering and...

Did you know that you can roll an A-10 on the runway? Trust me it was not pretty!:cry:

Frostiken · July 7, 2011

I actually did a forward flip once, because my nose gear failed that completely :D

RAF74_Raptor · July 7, 2011

You can land pretty hard with out hurting it (BTW, from my experience you can't overheat the brakes...it would have happened to me by now). Keep in mind, if the pilot lives and the plane is not on fire, you did OK.

Landing hard can really slam your hydraulics though so "touch and stay" is sometimes What you get.

Just do make sure to ALWAYS put the landing gear DOWN!;)

HAHHAHAHA did this the other night on 16th server. Felt stupid as hell:doh:

Fakum · September 20, 2011

I have 5 dead zone and 35 curvature on rudder pedals and I find it just nice to control. As well as nose wheel steering. Granted mainly needed when i'm banking or when in crosswind

I still battle this,,, can you post your curve setup,,, its worth a try for me anyway

PeterP · September 20, 2011

I still battle this,,, can you post your curve setup,,, its worth a try for me anyway

open options> controllers

select "axis commands"

highlight your rudder axis and select "axis tune"

Than edit the curve like on this picture below :

Edited September 20, 2011 by PeterP

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