F-14 vs F-15 gun kill

[hitman]

Now, this is no ****! Towards the end of the AIM/ACE -- EVAL, things had heated up between the Eagle and Turkey pilots. At the Nellis O’club many innuendoes and challenges had been thrown out as a result of the high profile dog fights between the Tomcat/Eagle Blue Force and the F-5Es. The Blue Force F-15 drivers were threatened with a court martial, flying rubber dog **** outta Hong Kong and having their birthday taken away if they even thought about locking horns with ACEVAL Tomcats.

 

When the test sorties were finally over, a couple of F-15 instructors in the 415th training squadron took the bait. “Turk” Pentecost and I were a section. Turk was not nearly as cocky, arrogant and boisterous as D-Hose, but just as aggressive, smart, devious and just as good a stick. We briefed a very wide hook, an altitude split of 10k ft. and a radar sort @ 25nm by Bill “Hill Billy” Hill and “Fearless” Frank Schumacher. All pre-merge heat and radar missiles didn’t count. It was GUNS only at the merge. The wide hook enabled Turk and D-Hose to split the fight into (2)1v1’s, with one Turkey high, one low and lots of lateral separation.

 

As Hill Billy and D-hose closed for a 250ft, guns kill on their Eagle, the comm went like this:

D-hose: "Where are you Turk?"

Fearless: "Right above you Hoser"

D-hose: "We got two cons! Who’s out front?"

Turk (mildly offended): "Who do ya think?"

Both Eagles were gunned, “knock it off” was called, and the Tomcats RTB’d with a 500 knot, 6.5g, half second break at Nellis…cuz

that was our salute and tribute to our fine VX-4 maintenance personnel.

 

Knowing the gun camera film would be destroyed by the Nellis Photo lab, it was covertly sent to a secret contact at Grumman for processing. Bout a month later, December 6, the door slams open and General Knight, with 2 of his staff, doggie wobble heads entered demanding to know “who and where are Hoser and Turk?” Falcon (J.W. Taylor), OinC, stepped up asking if he could be of assistance. The General respondes with, “Your fighter jocks have no idea how their playful antics affect important political decisions!” Well, as General Knight proceeded to explain, Japan had contracted for twenty one F-15s, but an article in Aviation Week had talked about the F-14 being superior to the Eagle. With gun camera film to prove it, Japan was considering buying F-14s instead.

 

The General told JW he wanted ALL copies of the gun camera film, the TVSU/VCR tapes, and audio recordings on his desk by 0900 the next day. He was obviously ****** when he arrived, but as a result of the humility and contrition displayed by Turk and D-hose, he was satisfied that his mission was accomplished. Of course, D-hose and Turk didn’t want to embarrass the F-15 community, and they never mentioned the incident again…UNTIL NOW! ……. A few months later at a VX-4 at JW’s , D-Hose sez “Hey Falcon, I know ya got a copy of that 16mm gun film,,,, how bout it? JW bugs for a few and returns with film I have in my hand right now.

 

PS: The 8” x 10” single frame of the 16 mm gun film on my bulkhead in my ‘ war room’ shows a F-15 thru a F-14 HUD, radar lock, @250ft, Vc zero, piper on the pilot’s helmet, gun selected, No X over the ‘G’ = master arm on = half detent on trigger depressed, (which activates gun camera and opens the gun gass purge doors) with… Zero rounds remaining……. Good Thing!!!

 

Edited August 16, 2011 by EtherealN

[EtherealN]

I helped you out with that stuck bold key.

[hitman]

I helped you out with that stuck bold key.

It wasnt stuck.

[nscode]

Wow! Great! Where can I purchase this fine F-14?

[MoGas]

Tomcat baby......:thumbup:

[Viper101]

Hoser was the man! Also is it just me or does that look more like a Strike Eagle than just an Eagle in that picture? Even better. :D

[hitman]

I would assume its an F-15D model, Viper.

[159th_Viper]

Akin to the F/A-18F having a Raptor dead to rights.........:music_whistling:

 

[Jona33]

Akin to the F/A-18F having a Raptor dead to rights.........:music_whistling:

 

 

Yeah, go Superhornet.

[Cupra]

It's not the jet, it is the pilot wo makes it ;) Its like this US agressor squadron flying F-16. They can handle and win against all US fighter Aircract in Dogfight expect the F-22 if a good pilot is in. So it is all about training end expierence.

[Pilotasso]

Its was an upset win for superior flying skills (F-14 had considerably less T/W ratio). I petty those eagle drivers. :D

[GGTharos]

Don't worry, the turkeys got trashed regularly in encouters with 15's and 16's ... they needed this little break - there's a reason that aircraft was called the Turkey.

 

As for the Raptor shot, ask how many superhornets were lost by the time that shot was taken ;)

 

Hoser was the man! Also is it just me or does that look more like a Strike Eagle than just an Eagle in that picture? Even better. :D

[159th_Viper]

As for the Raptor shot, ask how many superhornets were lost by the time that shot was taken ;)

 

I may have been a bit vague......:D

 

That pic of the Superbug is nothing to what it purports to be - that's the point I was attempting to convey: There's the picture and then there's the BIGGER picture.....always question and never accept things at face-value.

[GGTharos]

Oh, I know you know better :)

[Cali]

Akin to the F/A-18F having a Raptor dead to rights.........:music_whistling:

 

 

I agree, it doesn't matter how good a jet is or "suppose" to be, it won't win EVERY fight it gets into. This story says nothing about the F-14 being better then the F-15. All it says is that the F-14 got the F-15 one time. This article or story doesn't mean squat! There are many out there that say otherwise. When I was in Alaska, one of our A-10A's killed a F-18, does that mean the A-10 is a better jet, yes I know they have different roles.

[mvsgas]

I agree, it doesn't matter how good a jet is or "suppose" to be, it won't win EVERY fight it gets into. This story says nothing about the F-14 being better then the F-15. All it says is that the F-14 got the F-15 one time. This article or story doesn't mean squat! There are many out there that say otherwise. When I was in Alaska, one of our A-10A's killed a F-18, does that mean the A-10 is a better jet, yes I know they have different roles.

 

:D:smartass:

It must mean that Cali, :D for now on I will say A-10 is better than F-18 in the dog fight...I agree Cali, one story, one pic. MIG-17 got many kill, Doesn't mean it was better than the rest. I don't know why I bother this will turn into a 200 page of; "This one is better because..."

[hitman]

I just posted a story, I didnt post a debate! A little inter service. rivalry never hurt nobody

[joey45]

Good story hitman.

[aaron886]

Haha awesome article, where was this posted originally?

 

Fly Navy!!!

[Grimes]

Clearly they just "hit the breaks" which caused the F-15s to "fly right by"

[hitman]

Haha awesome article, where was this posted originally?

 

Fly Navy!!!

Found this on Arc Air discussion forums...its a scale model forum I visit for tips and tricks for airbrushing and whatnot.

[hitman]

Clearly they just "hit the breaks" which caused the F-15s to "fly right by"

Nah, man...iceman just cut him off and caused the F-15 to go into a tailspin.

[hitman]

original thread with model display

 

http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=218183

[aaron886]

Thanks for the link, hitman.

[RIPTIDE]

F-15's getting owned... fap fap :D