DCS World 2.0 and New Maps Discussion Thread

[HungaroJET]

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Paul, i found some mistake/misalignment/shortcomings on your image.

Here's mine: not perfect, just another image (first come from DCSWH-Nevada Beta)

 

Edited October 14, 2013 by HungaroJET

[Snoopy]

Paul, i found some mistake/misalignment/shortcomings on your image.

Here's mine: not perfect, just another image

 

My images were just for a general idea and not intended to be a perfect reference.

[derelor]

Here's mine: not perfect, just another image

Very nice :thumbup: Thanks!

[HungaroJET]

My images were just for a general idea and not intended to be a perfect reference.

Ok, just like mine: options only :)

Thanks Werner

Edited October 14, 2013 by HungaroJET

[Exorcet]

Flagrum, i couldn't help but notice that every time someone mentions Nevada is far from an ideal location you respond with a doh emotion.

 

Let me try and explain this.

 

DCS is a combat flight simulator. A lot of users like it because it is realistic. Simmers who have been flying with ED since LockOn have been flying the same area for 10 years. Finally we get a new map.. Yay! However it is in the centre of the only world super power, the most unlikely country to have a war within... not only that it is a central state, it must be the most unlikely place for combat to take place in the World. Many of the advocates for Nevada talk about Red Flag training as a great reason to have it as a region. Many of us don't want to only train. Nevada started as a 3rd party project, Luckybob was the creator, as a 3rd party project, its cool, but as the 1st new map in many years... well i don't want to complain, as I'd take a map of Antarctica right now... but lets juts say for many of us it is probably the least desirable location on the planet for a combat flight sim. (after Antarctica).

 

If you are American and or live in this area you likely may disagree... but this is why many people have this opinion that Nevada is far from ideal for a combat flight sim.

 

It will be hard to pretend it is a far flung war torn location with Las Vegas lights in the middle of the map.

 

Now if you want to pretend this is a Red Dawn scenario.. go for it.. but for many of us this is removed from why we enjoy DCS.. i.e realism.

 

As an important caveat.. I'm VERY happy to see a new map, I just feel the need to point out the obvious that some seem to miss. As a mud mover and a chopper whore..there will be lots of areas I'll enjoy away from Vegas.. and when i want to play in civi street.. I'll fly my choppers down the strip! :D

 

Being from the US doesn't change anything. Nevada is still Nevada. Fitting a realistic war in there in this time line is difficult. Fitting a realistic war in there is trivially easy.

 

Why does not one complain about the US and Russia fighting over Georgia? It never happened to the scale it does in the missions we often see. You already have to play with history to make 80's-90's technology flying around there make sense.

 

Nevada is the same, just diverge from the timeline earlier. Alternate history isn't unrealistic if it's plausible, and it's what we've been doing in the old map anyway.

 

I myself would prefer a long, long list of places to Nevada, but it's not just a training map.

 

EDIT

 

As far as map size goes, I would love to see a blank/flat California and access to the ocean, sort of like the current map. Wouldn't be much to see there, but I would gladly take it to increase size for missions with the F/A-18.

Edited October 15, 2013 by Exorcet

[outlawal2]

The main reason folks are less than enthusiastic is the point that Nevada as a location for combat is NOT plausible in any stretch of the imagination.. Georgia has SOME possibility Nevada does not...

[Python]

Any new scenery is appreciated as long as it looks good... we'll worry about scenarios later. ;)

[NineLine]

The main reason folks are less than enthusiastic is the point that Nevada as a location for combat is NOT plausible in any stretch of the imagination.. Georgia has SOME possibility Nevada does not...

 

 

Not true... its as simple as putting Red units on one side and Blue units on the other... Any scenario I played out in Georgia would more than likely not happen either, didnt stop me from enjoying them....

[Python]

Not true... its as simple as putting Red units on one side and Blue units on the other... Any scenario I played out in Georgia would more than likely not happen either, didnt stop me from enjoying them....

 

Precisely, this is the joys of the gaming world... What is stopping France invading Nevada. :music_whistling: Well apart from the lack of a Rafale module. I think people are a little bored of the current terrain so I wont complain about any new regions.

[Raven68]

As it was mentioned a few post back. A map of the South Eastern US with Cuba as the focal point might be of interest. Call it the rebirth of the Cuban missile crisis. Bases in Florida, Georgia, South & North Carolina would be awesome! Map would be huge relatively speaking and would take a lot of effort, but wouldn't it be nice? :music_whistling: Dont cyber punch me for my thoughts.

[Boberro]

As it was mentioned a few post back. A map of the South Eastern US with Cuba as the focal point might be of interest. Call it the rebirth of the Cuban missile crisis. Bases in Florida, Georgia, South & North Carolina would be awesome! Map would be huge relatively speaking and would take a lot of effort, but wouldn't it be nice? :music_whistling: Dont cyber punch me for my thoughts.

 

For Cuban Crysis you need old planes too.

[NineLine]

For Cuban Crysis you need old planes too.

 

I think he was talking about a modern day version... but a historic one could be cool as well...

[Raven68]

For Cuban Crysis you need old planes too.

 

If you wanted to recreate the 1960's scenario. I was thinking more along the current time frame. :)

 

Nothing wrong with recreating the 1960's scenario. It would be very interesting to play it out differently using the old planes. :thumbup:

[VincentLaw]

I think Nevada could make a good location for an expanded Mexican Drug War campaign, where the cartels have expanded operations in the area around Las Vegas... or you could do a scenario like Rainbow 6 Vegas.

 

This wouldn't be very good for fighter pilots, but there could be some plausible COIN ops or police missions in the area, which would work well for something like the Huey.

[KaspeR32]

The main reason folks are less than enthusiastic is the point that Nevada as a location for combat is NOT plausible in any stretch of the imagination.. Georgia has SOME possibility Nevada does not...

 

Well then, in that case you should just disassemble your computer, put your joystick, rudder pedals, and Track IR away, because there is now WAY, in any stretch of the imagination, that you're flying a real A-10C.

 

Flight sims ARE imagination. That's what it's all about. If you can pretend to fly an A-10C over a map of Georgia in a war scenario, you can stretch it a little farther and pretend there is a war scenario in Nevada.

[outlawal2]

Well then, in that case you should just disassemble your computer, put your joystick, rudder pedals, and Track IR away, because there is now WAY, in any stretch of the imagination, that you're flying a real A-10C.

 

Flight sims ARE imagination. That's what it's all about. If you can pretend to fly an A-10C over a map of Georgia in a war scenario, you can stretch it a little farther and pretend there is a war scenario in Nevada.

 

 

Come on, that isn't even a close analogy.. All I am saying is that there should be some kind of viable scenario to help keep the illusion.. I am not saying I won't enjoy the new map and someone earlier had mentioned a drug interdiction scenario that would work to create some plausibility...

 

I'll give you an example.. the new version of RED DAWN... It was actually a decent movie... FAR better than I thought it would be, but when they made the bad guys North Korean rather than Chinese, they took all semblance of reality away. (And yes I agree that China invading the US is FAR from realistic, but it IS more plausible than friggin North Korea!)

 

I almost passed on the movie becasue of the change. (Glad I didn't because it was entertaining... Not a classic by any stretch but enjoyable)

[NineLine]

err I can't speak for all, but it is certainly true for some, and I would say many. Over the 3 years that Nevada was announced as a new map this point has been made over and over and over again. To say it is not true.. is silly. The ones who are not keen on Nevada usually state this as the reason. Why even argue about it? if it is not the reason what is it then?

 

 

For war you need two opposing sides and a piece of dirt to fight over, thats all I am saying... if someone wants to be so turned off by the thought of combat in this map, then it is really their loss... I can already picture some fun combat scenarios, I am looking forward to it, but I am also sure that this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to new maps...

[outlawal2]

For war you need two opposing sides and a piece of dirt to fight over, thats all I am saying... if someone wants to be so turned off by the thought of combat in this map, then it is really their loss... I can already picture some fun combat scenarios, I am looking forward to it, but I am also sure that this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to new maps...

 

Yep that's great if you want to ignore your customers and give them what you think is what they want, that is certainly ED's prerogative... I will however ask them to take a good LONG look at RIM and the Blackberry and they can judge just how sound that tactic is for the longevity of their company...

 

I was simply giving a simple explanation as to why folks are less than enamored with the idea of a Nevada map. If you wish to discount it / ignore it then that is YOUR prerogative... To each his own..

 

But when few people buy because of it, then the loss of sales will be an issue for ED...

[NineLine]

How are they ignoring their customers? A larger percentage of people are excited about the new map and are open minded enough to see this is just the first step into a new world of maps... I think the NTTR is the perfect map for the first release for EGDE... so lets not get all dramatic saying ED is ignoring anything... every scenario you can have in Georgia you can have in Nevada with the exception of naval based operations...

 

Yep that's great if you want to ignore your customers and give them what you think is what they want, that is certainly ED's prerogative... I will however ask them to take a good LONG look at RIM and the Blackberry and they can judge just how sound that tactic is for the longevity of their company...

 

I was simply giving a simple explanation as to why folks are less than enamored with the idea of a Nevada map. If you wish to discount it / ignore it then that is YOUR prerogative... To each his own..

 

But when few people buy because of it, then the loss of sales will be an issue for ED...

[VincentLaw]

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Do you assume everyone dislikes something because you dislike it? Nevada may not be the best place for F-15 vs. Su-27, but it certainly has a place in DCS. There is/was an F-14 simulator at the National Naval Aviation Museum at NAS Pensacola, and Las Vegas is one of the maps they run for visitors, so obviously they thought it was worth flying a military naval fighter simulator over. I wonder how many people thought "I can't believe I had to fly over Nevada! What a waste of money!"

 

with the exception of naval based operations...

You never know, there could be a Russian sub in Lake Mead. Edited October 15, 2013 by VincentLaw

[Exorcet]

err I can't speak for all, but it is certainly true for some

It's not true for some. Nevada is a realistic location for combat. It's true that some think it's not, but that doesn't make it so.

 

Unless you have a binary definition for realistic, like those people that call anything less than 100% realistic an arcade game, realism is a spectrum.

 

Nevada is a real place that is accessible by current technology. That makes a realistic combat area. The Georgia doesn't have much over Nevada. It's 2013, no one is fighting a major war there. Or you could simulate 2008 (is that a break in realism since it's in the past?) and then limit yourself to flying for Georgia or Russia only. You might also want to consider only flying missions that actually occurred, and then only flying those missions as they did occur. If not, you're inventing something.

 

A realistic backstory for Nevada? The USSR makes headway in gaining allies in South America, eventually leading to a war at the border of communism and capitalism. Virtually the same thing we do with the current map.

 

I certainly understand the appeal of maps with historic battles or those that come with a "premade" back story that is easy to build a mission around, but if Nevada isn't at all realistic, I need to question what your definition of realistic is.

[outlawal2]

Do you assume everyone dislikes something because you dislike it? Nevada may not be the best place for F-15 vs. Su-27, but it certainly has a place in DCS. There is/was an F-14 simulator at the National Naval Aviation Museum at NAS Pensacola, and Las Vegas is one of the maps they run for visitors, so obviously they thought it was worth flying a military naval fighter simulator over. I wonder how many people though "I can't believe I had to fly over Nevada! What a waste of money!"

 

You never know, there could be a Russian sub in Lake Mead.

 

<sigh> I give up.. As stated multiple times I never said I dislike anything I am simply stating why some folks are not excited about it... You guys are happy with it and want to jump on me for explaining so I once again give up..

 

ENJOY

[NineLine]

<sigh> I give up.. As stated multiple times I never said I dislike anything I am simply stating why some folks are not excited about it... You guys are happy with it and want to jump on me for explaining so I once again give up..

 

ENJOY

 

That's fine, but you just need to speak for yourself, making blanket statements that ED is ignoring their customers doesnt really fly...

[outlawal2]

That's fine, but you just need to speak for yourself, making blanket statements that ED is ignoring their customers doesnt really fly...

 

And the same could be said of you sir stating that everyone is just fine with Nevada as a map..

 

the fact that a conversation is being had at all proves that is not the case..

 

I am done with this

[cichlidfan]

And the same could be said of you sir stating that everyone is just fine with Nevada as a map..

 

Actually, he did not say everyone, he said...

 

...A larger percentage of people are excited about the new map and are open minded enough to see this is just the first step into a new world of maps...

 

...which is also unsubstantiated but...

 

;)