Implement the Sniper XR

[Divide Et Impera]

Hi all, the "why" of the no-implementation of the Sniper XR pod in A10C have already been asked and the response was "because its quite the same" . I agree with this but i'd love to get it how many people think it would be a good addition to get the sniper XR ? it means a different TGP pages and some new functions too .

And yes, the Sniper XR pod is availaible with the A10C suite that is modelized in DCS

 

 

Quote from http://www.a-10.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=13222&sid=1b02f25a49d8f41e3dfcf5f6c51795cf

 

" Lockheed Martin and U.S. Air Force Mark Successful Sniper® ATP Site Activations at A-10C Units

 

ORLANDO, FL, June 3rd, 2009 -- Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] and the U.S. Air Force have successfully completed Sniper® Advanced Targeting Pod (ATP) A-10C site activations at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, AZ, and Spangdahlem Air Base in Germany.

 

Sniper ATP site activations involve pod installation, maintenance and aircrew training. Coordinated with the Air Force Precision Attack Systems Project Office and Air Combat Command, Sniper ATP site activation efforts ensure maintainers are prepared to fully support the system in theater and that aircrews are proficient with pod operations and capabilities.

 

"The Sniper ATP represents a significant improvement in combat capability," said Lt. Col. Michael Millen, commander of the 354th Fighter Squadron, Davis-Monthan AFB. "With the addition of the Sniper ATP, the A-10C has realized a quantum leap in its ability to locate, identify, track and ultimately defeat targets across the modern battlefield. The A-10C with Sniper ATP is an incredibly lethal combination."

 

In its first month with Sniper ATP, 354th Fighter Squadron Airmen successfully utilized the new combat capability during two separate military exercises. During Exercise Emerald Warrior at Hurlburt Field, FL, A-10C pilots with Sniper ATP successfully supported a range of special operations forces missions. During Exercise Green Flag East, the crews successfully supported Army ground forces conducting urban combat training at the Army's Joint Readiness Training Center at Fort Polk, LA.

 

"In both exercises, Sniper ATP proved a tremendous asset due to its enhanced ability to track moving targets, as well as its capability to downlink full-motion video so that Joint Terminal Attack Controllers on the ground could fully assist in positive identification of all targets. In the final analysis, the A-10C with Sniper ATP truly delivered precision engagement," said Lt. Col. Millen.

 

Competitively selected as the Advanced Targeting Pod for the U.S. Air Force and Air National Guard, the Sniper ATP provides critical long-range, positive identification of both moving and stationary air and ground targets. It also possesses a video down link equipped with the widely used Rover ground receiver to relay high-resolution streaming video to forward-deployed forces for non-traditional intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and rapid target coordination.

 

"The Sniper pod delivers true precision engagement while increasing standoff, allowing for both greater lethality and increased survivability in a hostile combat environment," said Lt. Col. Millen.

 

Designed, developed and manufactured by Lockheed Martin, the Sniper ATP provides unrivaled precision engagement through its high-resolution, mid-wave forward-looking infrared (FLIR) and TV sensors, which operate in conjunction with a dual-mode laser, permitting eye-safe operation and precise geo-location in urban environments.

 

Sniper ATP is currently site activated at operational U.S. Air Force and Air National Guard F-16 Block 30/40/42/50/52, as well as all F-15E and B-1 bases. It is deployed in combat operations on F-16, F-15E, B-1 and Harrier GR7 and GR9 aircraft. At the close of 2008, over 500 Sniper pods were delivered or on order to the U.S. Air Force, Air National Guard and 10 international air forces, including coalition partners.

 

Sniper ATP A-10C site activation efforts are scheduled to continue this summer at Moody AFB, GA.

 

With advanced integration across U.S. Air Force and multinational F-16, F-15, B-1, F-18, Harrier, A-10, B-52 and Tornado aircraft, the Sniper ATP's common software and hardware interface design enables users to "plug and play" across services and multiple platforms, providing a common software and hardware configuration across aircraft fleets for greater interoperability.

 

Source: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2009/MFC_060309_LockheedMartinandUSAirForce.html

 

See also:

http://warthognews.blogspot.com/2009/06/lockheed-martin-and-us-air-force-mark.html "

Edited November 10, 2011 by Divide Et Impera

[Snoopy]

Why, because the Suite that is modeled in DCS A-10C is 3.1 and the A-10 did not start to cary the sniper pod until a later suite.

 

You state "And yes, the Sniper XR pod is availaible with the A10C suite that is modelized in DCS" you know this how? You can't look at an A-10 and say "that's a suite this or that jet" as it's all avionics upgrades with occasional "cosmetic" upgrades as well. Just because you read something on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

 

EDs goal is to model an aircraft as closely to real world as possible, to have the A-10 carry the sniper pod in DCS A-10C as it is modeled now is completely unrealistic.

 

And just because I know you're going to argue and incase you don't know I work A-10s in the real world, have access to A-10 Technical Orders, and direct communications with A-10 Technical Representatives....

 

The ONLY way I see ED ever implementing the sniper pod was if they got permission to model a later suite version.

 

So...that being said thanks for your pole but you can wish all you want but it ain't gonna happen...

[Divide Et Impera]

I have been told on this forum by ED member or moderator that it was accurate. And you seem LOT peremptory and aggressive . Can't you just point my error instead of spreading that you work on A10C ? evryone knows it don't worry . And don't accuse me on things that you think i plan to say, i'm not stupid why would i argue ? . and thanks for the informations :)

 

regards

[Eddie]

And don't accuse me on things that you think i plan to say, i'm not stupid why would i argue ?

 

 

Because you have done in the past when someone with real world access/experience has responded to one of your posts explaining that an assumption you've made is not accurate.

[PeterP]

:D

...hey - show forbearance with him. He has to - his avatar is Charles de Gaulle !

 

...never mind...

[Divide Et Impera]

Because you have done in the past when someone with real world access/experience has responded to one of your posts explaining that an assumption you've made is not accurate.

 

send me a PM to show me when so, and even if , its not a reason to judge people before they even speak. :smartass:

 

And to PeterP totally agree with you ;) RESPECT the general !

Edited November 10, 2011 by Divide Et Impera

[Snoopy]

I base comments/decisions on items I have seen in the past, if I offended my appologies. There is much confussion on early C model suites and what they can/can't do. Have you ever heard of the A-10A+? That gets even more confussion. there are things the A+ could do that the C model still can't, some are slowly transitioning to the C.

 

I don't go around bragging that I work A-10s but when individuals want to argue (not saying you this time) and tell me I'm wrong when I've operated said system or reading the latest Tech Order then sorry, take it how you will but I'll remind folks everytime that I work them....

 

Also, just because something can carry something doesn't mean it will. A model A-10s could carry LGBs but we didn't.

 

And with that I'm done with this thread....

[genbrien]

also,isnt there something like'' the sniper pod is still too much confidential'' ?

[BlueRidgeDx]

...thanks for your pole...

 

Giggity!

 

:lol:

[Cedaway]

Before arguing about sniper XR modelisation, would'nt it be possible to enhance the image of the TGP? (warm trees, bushes,...)

Just my 2Cts. (Don't argue, I'm already out ;-)

[Snoopy]

Giggity!

 

:lol:

 

:clown:

[Snoopy]

Divide Et Impera....thanks for the negative rep :thumbup:...

only took over a year to earn my first....:beer:

[Aries]

What about canopy crazing & scratches...? Can that be put back in the sim in place of the XR? :music_whistling:

[jazjar]

Try Falcon BMS dude... That has a realistically modelled Sniper XR... VERY realistic in fact...

[mvsgas]

Try Falcon BMS dude... That has a realistically modelled Sniper XR... VERY realistic in fact...

Several pod RL features are not modeled in BMS

[GGTharos]

Do they have ROVER, VDL, TWS, etc?

 

Try Falcon BMS dude... That has a realistically modelled Sniper XR... VERY realistic in fact...

[jazjar]

It's the most realistically modelled Sniper for simulation gaming...can you do better ED, does the give a hint as to what the next module will be? ( F-18 uses ATFLIR, not sniper xr, but you knew that :) .)

[GGTharos]

Like I said ... do they model the above? Those are major features of the sniper.

[159th_Viper]

It's the most realistically modelled Sniper for simulation gaming...

 

:megalol:

 

It's the only one.......it can have 4 legs and a moustache and still be the most 'realistic' to date :D

[Frostiken]

Yep, the VDL is easily one of the coolest features of Sniper pods. Ground guys can go 'No, not that thing, the OTHER thing!'

[Rainmaker]

Yep, the VDL is easily one of the coolest features of Sniper pods. Ground guys can go 'No, not that thing, the OTHER thing!'

 

 

Fortunately, the Litening is VDL capable too. With any hope, it might be something we see in the battle commander add-on. I bet with some of the folks involved as subject matter experts, it's been mentioned, but it would be a sight to see if it actually was somehow integrated.

[Eddie]

Yep, the VDL is easily one of the coolest features of Sniper pods. Ground guys can go 'No, not that thing, the OTHER thing!'

 

VDL is an awesome feature of SNIPER and LITENING. VDL and ROVER would be a great feature for Combined Arms, but I don't think it's posible at the moment (maybe one day).

 

To be honest I'd quite like to see multi-target cueing for the LITENING.

[jazjar]

So wait, VDL is the video sharing datalink capability for the Sniper? And what is ROVER? Is it similar?

[159th_Viper]

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Lockheed_Martin_Demonstrates_Two_Way_Video_Datalink_For_Sniper_Advanced_Targeting_Pod_999.html

 

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/rover-sics-tacair-on-americas-enemies-updated-01700/

Edited November 16, 2011 by 159th_Viper

[Rainmaker]

So wait, VDL is the video sharing datalink capability for the Sniper? And what is ROVER? Is it similar?

 

 

The ROVER is the ground guys gear for receiving the video downling from the guy in the air.

 

And yes, VDL is the pod capability to send video across the network elsewhere in real-time. Both the SNIPER and LITENING have this capability.