Luigi Gorgonzola Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 As I'm trying to learn more about the threats I face on the battlefield, I wonder if chaffs are useful at all. At least, they're offered in the loadout tab...
Mustur Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Since the Black Shark has no RWR, you most likely won't see the incoming missile. Even if you manage to see it, it wouldn't do you much good. Those spinning rotors give a very good radar return, so chaffs wouldn't fool an incoming missile. So yeah... I stick with flares. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
159th_Viper Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Kamov does not dispense Chaff - Best you can do is a bucket of tinfoil strips and an open cockpit door. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Luigi Gorgonzola Posted December 11, 2011 Author Posted December 11, 2011 Hehe, I'll give it a try the next time ;) On a more serious note: Chaffs are being offered by the ME so I'd assume they're usable in game as well?
159th_Viper Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 As I said - no chaff dispenser on the Kamov and as a consequence not usable in-game. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Mustur Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) I was under the impression that the ka-50 can indeed deploy chaff, I know I read it on several websites. In the flight manual it says: "The UV-26 system is used to dispense infrared flare decoys and dipole reflectors (chaff)". On the patrol mission for instance, you start with 64/64 flare/chaff. Guess it's leftover from BS1. Edited December 11, 2011 by Mustur [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WildBillKelsoe Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 I was under the impression that the ka-50 can indeed deploy chaff could.. But it doesnt in sim.. And if it were to match the hog in chaff deployment, what is the benefit? Flares are far more effective. In fact, I remove all chaffs from my A-10 in the ME. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Eddie Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Flares are far more effective. In fact, I remove all chaffs from my A-10 in the ME. Erm, flares are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard when it comes to defending against RADAR guided systems. Both chaff and flare have specific uses. If the only missions you fly are low intensity, asymetric scenarios where the enemy are only fielding optical or IR guided systems, then yes a full flare load would be of benefit. But for most missions chaff is just as important as flare(possibly more important) .
26-J39 Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 This thread gives me :)....& some :music_whistling: NO CHAFF DISPENSER IN KA-50... :doh: Yup, deal with the hardware you have. ;)
Spetz Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 could.. But it doesnt in sim.. And if it were to match the hog in chaff deployment, what is the benefit? Flares are far more effective. In fact, I remove all chaffs from my A-10 in the ME. Actually you are wrong. Flares are completely ineffective for use against radar guided missiles, and chaff are completly ineffective against IR guided missiles. That is why, in the real world, there are the two types primary types of disposible ECM (with various sub-types, etc), and the same for the sim (except the different types of each). EDIT** Sorry Eddie, didn't see your post
Luigi Gorgonzola Posted December 15, 2011 Author Posted December 15, 2011 Gave it a try yesterday. Found chaffs are not implemented in BS which I consider a bug (they're most definately implemented in RL). Chaffs may be of little use -- read sites claiming modern weapons were able to compensate the effects generated by chaffs -- but they'd provide us with a little chance at least to fool an incoming missile.
winz Posted December 15, 2011 Posted December 15, 2011 No, they are not. BS models the model in active service, and the one doesn't have chaff dispenser... There is no use for them..if you need them, then you are flying somewhere where a helo shouldn't be flying (either your, or the mission designer fault). The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
Eddie Posted December 15, 2011 Posted December 15, 2011 Gave it a try yesterday. Found chaffs are not implemented in BS which I consider a bug (they're most definately implemented in RL). Not on the Ka-50 version modelled in the sim. The modelled aircraft has no chaff dispensers. No bug here at all.
Luigi Gorgonzola Posted December 15, 2011 Author Posted December 15, 2011 Not on the Ka-50 version modelled in the sim. The modelled aircraft has no chaff dispensers. No bug here at all. Sorry, again: I was under the impression that the ka-50 can indeed deploy chaff, I know I read it on several websites. In the flight manual it says: "The UV-26 system is used to dispense infrared flare decoys and dipole reflectors (chaff)". On the patrol mission for instance, you start with 64/64 flare/chaff. Guess it's leftover from BS1. BS2 FM still quotes the UV-26 deploying chaffs. Bug.
159th_Viper Posted December 15, 2011 Posted December 15, 2011 Bug. When will you listen - No bug ;) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Luigi Gorgonzola Posted December 15, 2011 Author Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) When will you listen - No bug ;) Why should I listen ;) Why is everyone so focussed on bugs/nobugs? Anyway, my original question has been answered. That sounds fair enough to me. :) Edited December 15, 2011 by Luigi Gorgonzola fypos 4tw
159th_Viper Posted December 15, 2011 Posted December 15, 2011 Why is everyone so focussed on bugs/nobugs? Clarification. It does no good at all to allow disinformation to litter the threads, especially so for newcomers to the boards/SIM. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Luigi Gorgonzola Posted December 15, 2011 Author Posted December 15, 2011 Clarification. It does no good at all to allow disinformation to litter the threads, especially so for newcomers to the boards/SIM. That's a point, I see.
OGREMAN Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 The KA50 has NO means of knowing you are under fire from a radar guided weapon..... there is NO POINT in carrying CHAFF ..... Stick with flares... at least they can be deployed in a useful way. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
blahdy Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 lol, you don't need chaffs on Ka-50 anyway. Arm yourself with two Kh-25ML's and play chicken with Buk SAM. It's hilarious how many SAM rounds go to waste at low altitude XD. Keep popping up and down until most of SAM munitions are wasted and you're within about 12km, then fire off Kh-25ML, and then second one. And you can finish the rest with guns and rockets blazing :)
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