Payload Suggestion For ED

[104th_Crunch]

Just a suggestion for payloads in multiplayer, maybe something for FC3. The current payload setup is a bit limited.

 

Make it so payloads are determined and saved in the mission with regard to the following:

 

-Give the option to lock payloads and not let the client change them

 

-Give the option to allow only certain weapons with others being restricted that the client cannot use

 

-bring back the ability for a client to choose any weapon on any pylon, and get rid of the limited menu system.

 

Thanks for listening!

[Gembrid]

+1

freat

[Cali]

I don't know why they ever got rid of it.

[xWARGOx]

Amen Crunch

[joey45]

I don't know why they ever got rid of it.

 

Maybe the engine changes?

[golfsierra2]

"-bring back the ability for a client to choose any weapon on any pylon, and get rid of the limited menu system."

 

Isn't it unrealistic ?

[Grimes]

"-bring back the ability for a client to choose any weapon on any pylon, and get rid of the limited menu system."

 

Isn't it unrealistic ?

 

I think the convenience and flexibility of what Crunch suggests would allow for realism to those who want it. Besides wouldn't his first 2 points of the suggestion allow for he realism anyways?

[Kuky]

I miss this too... also at least for MP sessions to be able to pick your own aircraft tail number :(

[104th_Crunch]

I mean any weapon on any pylon that can realistically be carried. In other words, the payload editor menu available before flight.

[GGTharos]

Depends ... sometimes this allowed for unrealistic payloads too - ie. for example some people equipping a single sorbitsiya pod, or using other types of asymmetric payloads that should not be possible with a given FCS.

 

Probably not exactly a huge deal, depends a bit on how accurate you want to be.

[Pilotasso]

It should be relatively easy to exclude assimetrical payloads in the code. I dont think any of the aircraft in LOMAC can carry such payloads anyway.

[GGTharos]

I'm reasonably certain that F-15's don't have problems with assymetric loadouts. I'm also pretty certain that MiG-29A's, and by extension, Su-27S do. It's not an all-or-nothing thing, different aircraft have different FCS'.

 

At the same time, take the sorbitsyia - it really shouldn't function in a single pod configuration, or at least it should be really degraded, so now you're starting to get system specific as well.

 

What to do? :)

[Kuky]

Can ED code that you can pick weapons user wants but to duplicate it onto opposite pylon also automatically so it's symmetrical... then again allow asymmetrical payload line on A-10 with AIM-9's or TGP or ECM pod

[GGTharos]

Sure ED could code this, but the real blocker should be the specific aircraft's fire control system, not the editor, if you kinda get the drift.

[IvanK]

Stores separation can also be an issue, that limits certain stores to certain stations.

[Moa]

I'm reasonably certain that F-15's don't have problems with assymetric loadouts. I'm also pretty certain that MiG-29A's, and by extension, Su-27S do. It's not an all-or-nothing thing, different aircraft have different FCS'.

 

At the same time, take the sorbitsyia - it really shouldn't function in a single pod configuration, or at least it should be really degraded, so now you're starting to get system specific as well.

 

What to do? :)

 

 

nb. report released about the F-15E crash in Libya was due to departure partially caused by maneuvering with asymmetric loadout. Didn't know that could be a problem but apparently it is. Check the report out.

[Cali]

nb. report released about the F-15E crash in Libya was due to departure partially caused by maneuvering with asymmetric loadout. Didn't know that could be a problem but apparently it is. Check the report out.

 

It was at a different altitude that wasn't tested. We don't know what the parameters were with this maneuver. Many jets fly with asymmetric loadouts, I've seen A-10's and F-16's with them.

[GGTharos]

F-15's (C's, E's, A's, doesn't matter) are like most aircraft prone to departure with asymmetric loadouts rather than not. This is why you balance fuel in wing tanks etc.

 

There's a specific chart in the -1 (IIRC) that describes maximum AoA's and other factors that can be flown with imbalance to avoid departure. The pilots know these things.

[Cali]

Another thing I thought of, with B-52's. They hold a lot of fuel in their wings, in a bank, all that fuel is moving to one side. I'm talking something in the amount of 50k lbs. I have a friend that flies them, I'll ask him about bank angles next time I talk to him.

[Sov13t]

I'm also pretty certain that MiG-29A's, and by extension, Su-27S do. It's not an all-or-nothing thing, different aircraft have different FCS'.

 

That is a pretty long extension... don't over extend yourself.

[GGTharos]

Do you have something useful to add?

 

That is a pretty long extension... don't over extend yourself.

[Luse]

It's a theme

[Sov13t]

Do you have something useful to add?

 

Besides the fact that you are wrong? No.

 

Out of all the people, I would expect you to never use a phrase such as "by extension", not to mention in that same sentance you, yourself, say different aircraft have different FCS.

 

Anyways, the SU-27S allows for assymetric loadouts. The disbalance limit is 450kg. Even different type of missiles can be deployed on symmetric stations. For example: R-27ER on one R-27R on the opposing.

Edited December 17, 2011 by Sov13t

[GGTharos]

See, this is the actually useful bit - but as far as the FCS is concerned, those are the same type of weapons - but okay, mea culpa - that's not what I said - though it should be obvious to the (at least non-casual) observer, that it is what I was driving at.

 

Anyways, the SU-27S allows for assymetric loadouts. The limit is 450kg. Even different type of missiles can be deployed on symmetric stations. For example: R-27ER on one R-27R on the opposing.

[Hellfire257]

+1 for this feature, I really miss it.

 

IIRC when you selected the jammer pods for the Su-25T you got both automagically loaded. I can't remember if you could remove one and not the other though.