Landscape Colour Correction

what it needs is bump mapping for bs2 to increase the realism of light affecting the ground. as for ground color. it does vary. but you fly over contiguous regions. you don't fly from switzerland to nevada or fly from winter to spring. therefore ground color is similar. so i'm no sure what your "pictures from all over the world" is supposed to prove.

in the fall, the trees are rust colored like that georgia picture. and that wheat field is going to look orange due to the lighting. same thing happens in dcs when the sun is setting.

Demongornot · January 9, 2012

what it needs is bump mapping for bs2 to increase the realism of light affecting the ground. as for ground color. it does vary. but you fly over contiguous regions. you don't fly from switzerland to nevada or fly from winter to spring. therefore ground color is similar. so i'm no sure what your "pictures from all over the world" is supposed to prove.

in the fall, the trees are rust colored like that georgia picture. and that wheat field is going to look orange due to the lighting. same thing happens in dcs when the sun is setting.

i don't know for you but in my country the grass are green and not a mix between grey and brown...:megalol: (joke)

All my first picture is from Georgia and from different season at different location its a big proof, i have see too several picture of Batumi and its the same thing.

The biggest problems its the missing green color from grass with nice warm colors and not the actual faded color like if Mister Clean have use bleach over Georgia...

The color that we get if DCS are for EVERY season exclude the winter where everything are white (no enough in DCS i think)...

Well sorry but the color are not similar to Georgia ground and its similar to nothing cause i have never see color like that on the ground of a full country in real life...

And my "pictures from all over the world" proof that the grass are green everywhere on the earth (maybe in another planet too :lol: ) and its mainly for show the ground color from aerial view...

So maybe i don't have see the new and herbicide has been using over all the territory of the Georgia and the grass has been replaced by strange think on the ground...

And for orange three, i think you must get outside during fall...cause its the tree leaves who change color during fall, its exactly the same thing if you told me that in my last picture of the Georgia the three color are not due to beautiful flower but light reflection with the camera and the green grass is just the only place in Georgia where we have it...

Sorry but for my the ground color still incorrect...

Watch that :

I see grass surrounded the airport

Or that

And plz don't try to told me that the grass its an reflective effect or that its was added just before filming and cut after...

Or like that

Its not a problem of sun light but a real big texture color problem, in every season in fact...

Its the SAME thing over every part of the Georgia., and the world too, grass don't change color and become grey in other country...

And don't forget that for several picture camera (mainly Russian camera) will warm color.

Go outside and see watch the color of the first pasture that you find, its how that must be in DCS !

Edited January 9, 2012 by Demongornot
forget important part

Cali · January 9, 2012

I think he was saying it depends on what time of year it is summer, winter, fall or spring. My grass isn't green now like it is in the summertime. I do agree colors can be tweaked a little, but that is something you can do on your monitor yourself. The only thing that sucks about that is everything will change not just the game.

Demongornot · January 9, 2012

I think he was saying it depends on what time of year it is summer, winter, fall or spring. My grass isn't green now like it is in the summertime. I do agree colors can be tweaked a little, but that is something you can do on your monitor yourself. The only thing that sucks about that is everything will change not just the game.

No really cause in game "grass" (if its supposed to be a grass cause finally with color like that i don't know over what i flight...) in summer are more fade and grey than real life grass during winter...

And the color (and every texture too) from the ground not need just a little but a big change anyway...

And my 3 monitor show really nice color when i watch movie, picture, video and when i play other game, its not to ME to change that and anyways if ED see the problem and correct the color people who don't want can keep ancients texture.

I not will get bad color from any other thing just cause ED team have take black and white picture of Georgia or any strange thing for create texture...

Anyways a lof of things need to change,

AI (cause actual are bad, stupid and bug every time)

Bug problem

3D ground object

New tree with realist and good 3D model and most important, the collision cause the KA-50 take advantage from the terrain and with ghost tree (where AI see through anyway) its just a big mistake with big consequences on the realism of the simulation...

Multiplayer where we are always disconnected for...nothing

And the list are so long, include (when i talk about color) no reflection (or so poor that we can't see it) and the really bad light effect from sun, cause when i take sun ray directly in my head i see a lot of color but not a little poor yellow, its a big and warm yellow for sunset and a big white effect for the rest of the journey...

Like that :

http://media.paperblog.fr/i/326/3264341/bienfaits-soleil-L-4.jpeg

Or like that http://www.type911.org/jeux/pics/photo_970.jpg

but stronger cause we have eyes and not camera in our head

If that was only one thing to change, okey, but with this really big quantity to things need to be change its not the same thing.

I just ask for realistic and nice color, i don't ask for orbit simulation with including anti satellite mission...

Edited January 9, 2012 by Demongornot

leafer · January 9, 2012

I agree and it's never hurt to ask, but it's probably a work in progress. Let's see what the new engine brings.

Demongornot · January 9, 2012

I agree and it's never hurt to ask, but it's probably a work in progress. Let's see what the new engine brings.

About what i have see from Nevada Screenshoots the new engine will be great but i hope so hard that the Georgia will be updated too cause ED can maybe create new engine but do a copy/past of the Georgia map.

The thing that i wait most is the Base Addon from GrandSurf and i wonder see everything identical in the new engine !!!

Look that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSSrAMNwcXo

Or that !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMxTQFTsI5w

Ground crew (the GPU and the guy) will be nice !

B25Mitch · January 14, 2012

Landscape Colour Correction

I think that the DCS world could use some colour work. Darker trees, greener grass (in summer and spring), sky that's actually blue, and more of the purplish atmospheric haze that we see in other sims like Rise of Flight.

This would in my opinion improve the visual aspect of DCS without any performance drop, and would be a very easy fix to implement, only involving the modification of existing textures. If I had access to the textures, I would do it myself.

Anyone else agree?

diveplane · January 14, 2012

i can already do this ingame altering a file .

Demongornot · January 14, 2012

Same idea here : http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=83992 !!

Nice to see that i'm not the only one who want to see better color, realistic and better for immersion !

i can already do this ingame altering a file .

Yeah but its a big work to do that, every new patch will require to do it again, ED must have to correct their error its not to us to do that and what about people like me who don't know what exactly files i need to correct ?

ED have software, data and access to more thing that the community can have...

And its their job ! We pay them for that...

Edit : The color of your editing screenshot are perfect and look just beautiful and perfect, i wonder have DCS with real and nice color like that !

Boberro · January 14, 2012

Nice comparison. I've always thought colors in game are not so good. I see diveplane says it is moddable via file. Is there any ready-to-go mod which I could download?

PS. Compare city and what we have in game.... we need more buildings lol.

sobek · January 14, 2012

It is very hard to get color composition right under all lighting and atmospheric conditions. My guess is that if you color correct for one condition, all others will be way off. Besides, fotos themselves often are way off compared to what the eye would see under the same conditions.

Kuky · January 14, 2012

Yes, I wouldn't trust photos either as lot of them are done with color correction to make them more appealing to the eye

EtherealN · January 14, 2012

Imageshack servers for the suck. Been trying to load that picture for quite a while now and the session constantly stalls.

But, what Kuky and sobek said. There's been several threads on this, and in one of them I used two photos of las vegas to illustrate a key point: both were day-time shots, both had good weather, they didn't agree at all on color. (And incidentally, looking up over my computer and through the window, I can say that the unaltered screen has the sky color better than the "corrected" one, though time of day is probably different and of I'm not in georgia.)

Edited January 14, 2012 by EtherealN

cichlidfan · January 14, 2012

There is also the issue of monitor adjustments too.

Everything else can be the same and two monitors are still going to look different. In fact, I have two different Dell monitors and even with color calibration tools it is impossible to get them to match even thought they are connected to the same video source.

Frostiken · January 14, 2012

I think I'll try playing with the Vividness turned way up on the Nvidia Control Panel.

Nate--IRL-- · January 14, 2012

This possible by editing the HDR.FX file - however it will require deciphering the file :(

Nate

B25Mitch · January 15, 2012

I don't think the issue is as bad as some are saying. I think the main problem is the tree colour - right now they are simply too faded and light.

Here's something Rise of Flight got right (I'm not saying that their terrain graphics are perfect, or that France looks exactly like Georgia), but their trees look good from a distance.

They are dark, and even near the horizon, where the level of detail system fades them out, a dark texture in forested areas tricks us into thinking we see trees there.

DCS does actually do this too, but the textures are all so faded and similar that it often goes unnoticed.

On a side note (without this being moved to the mods section), does anyone know where the tree textures are stored? I've had trouble finding them in the 'vfstextures' directory, but if I knew I could do up an example and see if people prefer it.

January 15, 2012

I think that the DCS world could use some colour work. Darker trees, greener grass (in summer and spring), sky that's actually blue, and more of the purplish atmospheric haze that we see in other sims like Rise of Flight.

This would in my opinion improve the visual aspect of DCS without any performance drop, and would be a very easy fix to implement, only involving the modification of existing textures. If I had access to the textures, I would do it myself.

Anyone else agree?

nice real life comparison, first of all. secondly, it's different lighting conditions, so again, what's your point? color is going to be different depending on atmospheric conditions and time of day.

it's like posting a picture of a rainy sunset and comparing it to a picture of a clear midday.

B25Mitch · January 15, 2012

nice real life comparison, first of all. secondly, it's different lighting conditions, so again, what's your point? color is going to be different depending on atmospheric conditions and time of day.

it's like posting a picture of a rainy sunset and comparing it to a picture of a clear midday.

Believe it or not, the uppermost screenshot is DCS's portrayal of a clear sky, in spring. I was attempting to replicate the lighting conditions under which the photo was taken, but I just can't get the kind of vibrancy I see in photos (unedited ones!).

Having played DCS, if I didn't know better I'd think that the Black Sea region was a dry, desolate wasteland. Where is the green?

Demongornot · January 15, 2012

Its nice to talk about atmospheric condition hard to reproduce and other problem but i prefer anyways and its 100 times better to see simulator with correct and realistic color (for standard atmospherics condition) false for other condition than actual who are just extremely bad, bad to look and false in every condition with color who don't exist in real world and who are bad for immersion...

Life its not a Russian's camera...the color its clearly inspired by Russian's camera color style

what atmospheric condition we will meet ?

Sunny day, cloudy day, very cloudy day, dense atmosphere (including rain, snow and fog), sunrise/sunset, little difference against morning noon afternoon and evening (before sunrise) and night...

Other condition are rare.

A simple color filter can simply give us a realistic, correct, nice and immersion color for this different condition and without that, just day/night that will be anyways better than actual if the default color are like in the screenshot with color correction from B25Mitch.

Same thing for sky, cloud and (its the cause of cloud color problem) sun.

The sun in DCS just look like bad little yellow think who give a poor yellow effect like a simple bulb (i talk about sun at noon, not at sunrise or sunset).

I have just right now look at the sun and...i can't, in fact the sun just can't be directly watched, with the eyes almost close its still hard to watch during more than 5 seconds (who appear really long).

I see big white light with extreme power impression, not a little poor yellow thing not hard or almost totally easy to look.

SAME thing for sun glass (also missing in DCS), its just more easy...in fact its just less hard to look at the sun, and we see for other place where we look a black filter...

For a simulator where we can do dogfight and where several weapon like ground AAA where the guy watch and not use radar, i think its important to really simulate effect on bot and more important its to give for every player this effect.

Look here

I wonder see the same thing if DCS

And about light and color, where is the reflection effect ?

Cause for me its missing but maybe some people will told me that i'm wrong and DCS have it, but for me no difference cause if its modeling, its just invisible, i hope with the new graphic engine we will have good reflection effect (with correct big white light and not a poor faded little white or yellow).

This thing just must change and begin it now and start with ground texture and after light effect its a must have, anyways that must be one day, now or latter finally its better for us that ED do it now...

Edited January 15, 2012 by Demongornot

Frostiken · January 15, 2012

By the way, that picture of Georgia has definitely been color-adjusted. I agree that DCS appears a little washed-out, but that comparison isn't terribly fair. Pretty sure the entire thing has been enhanced across the entire spectrum, which is why the shadows appear overly-blue, the reds stand out so much (in reality with that much blue, red would appear washed-out). The reds are so intense it's nearly neon.

Edited January 15, 2012 by Frostiken

EtherealN · January 15, 2012

Here's something Rise of Flight got right (I'm not saying that their terrain graphics are perfect, or that France looks exactly like Georgia), but their trees look good from a distance.

Actually, when I've flown ROF I've felt their long-distance portrayal of forests, specifically, is way too pronounced. Here's a picture I took myself from the pit:

Not the best photo (crappy cell phone camera - reception was good though :D ), not the same atmospheric conditions exactly (this one is roughly 2-4 hours after the supposed time of that ROF shot, judging by the clouds :P ), but it does bear one thing out: distinguishing forests from fields becomes difficult after a while from that altitude perspective - unless the fields in question are all teeming with wheat. ROF makes it look like there's wheat everywhere and the only variation that exists is different shades of wheat... :P

Its nice to talk about atmospheric condition hard to reproduce and other problem but i prefer anyways and its 100 times better to see simulator with correct and realistic color

...but the point was that the "evidence" presented to illustrate the "correct and realistic" color is actually not good evidence and does not show the "correct and realistic" color. ;)

Life its not a Russian's camera...the color its clearly inspired by Russian's camera color style

Huh? Clarify?

And so the other pictures, who are also wrong, are then "clearly inspired by American's camera color style"? What does nationality have to do with it anyhow, everyone uses Japanese cameras... :P

(To quote the russian in Armageddon: "Russian equipment, American equipment, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!" :D )

Look here
I wonder see the same thing if DCS

I hope not, because there's a lot wrong in that video - it has been drastically altered (on purpose or simply as an effect of the timelapse-technique and equipment used) to enhance the sunrays. ;)

(The big on being that the facing of the camera causes things to be dark that should not be nearly as dark, which should then also bring out those lightrays more.)

Sure, sunrays would be a nice graphical effect, but that's not exactly what this thread is discussing.

Edited January 15, 2012 by EtherealN

ZaltysZ · January 15, 2012

1) You can trust only the photos you have made and corrected by yourself. Yes, most raw photos need to be corrected to represent real life colors. Most landscape photos are corrected not to have real life colors, but be very vivid and impressive.

2) There should be a thread somewhere about terrain building and texture generation. If I remember correctly, more vivid textures look more awful, and you have to live with slightly washed out colors if you want overall acceptable picture.

3) Lightning model is not perfect, and won't be. Same problem is present in other games too. Basically, colors are affected by lightning, so you can't get away with simple texture recoloring, because same color can look ok in midday, but can be way off at dusk and etc. Compromise should be made, so that colors were acceptable (not spot on) in anytime.

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