DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012

[Nate--IRL--]

Its DCS fans who have bought into the military study-sim concept sold to us by ED. P-51, as currently described, doesn't fit into that standard.

 

DCS hasn't changed. DCSFL is new. I'd expect DCSFL to be separate install to any DCS on your Hard drive.

 

Nate

[GGTharos]

One way or another, no one's forcing you to put it in the same missions as A-10's and other modern aircraft.

 

But this is one I would like to see separated.

[dikkeduif]

Since I already have a fairly accurate P51 for fsx (A2A simulations, accusim) I think I will skip this one. Being able to shoot stuff isn't really a plus to me. This plane only makes sense if there are other WW2 birds in the pipeline.

 

Good luck though.

[MTFDarkEagle]

(A2A simulations, accusim)

It isn't even out yet..

[SilverOne]

So wrong...

 

There is no way DCS with this heavy barricaded engine can compete with FSX or X-plane which are all about 3rd party addons. Just look at the PMDG, A2A, VRS, Flightsimlabs... they produced more realistic aircrafts than ED will ever do.

 

I flew to Krasnodar many times in MSFS, working flawless and actually, addon scenery (freeware) has more details than DCS one, and all navaids work.

 

 

MSFS Krasnodar:

 

 

VS

 

 

DCS Krasnodar:

 

Actually, DCS world is fictional, every single airport is wrongly positioned, rwy headings are wrong, ATC and navaid freqs. are all wrong, Novorossiysk does not exist in RL anymore, Gelendzik is more airfield than airport, there is no parallel taxiway in RL...

 

My point is that ED should concentrate resources on combat simulation only like they do right now.

 

not to mention vatsim... man that was just epic. :thumbup:

[159th_Viper]

... any idea if we're going to get any of the USAAF weaponry the P-51D carried besides the 6XM2s?

 

M2?

 

You referring to the 5 inch/127mm rockets?

[EtherealN]

Since I already have a fairly accurate P51 for fsx (A2A simulations, accusim) I think I will skip this one. Being able to shoot stuff isn't really a plus to me. This plane only makes sense if there are other WW2 birds in the pipeline.

 

Good luck though.

 

While I understand your perspective (when flying them like they're flown IRL today, you don't need the weapons), but consider that you can actually try BFM with it. Granted, it will not be DAC, at least in the beginning, but that is definitely one of the big "fun things to do" with DCS P-51. And considering that this is an actual "warbird", it feels natural (to me) to not only "study" the bird itself, but also study how it's employed for it's intended role.

 

Regarding compatibility with the Shark and Hog - like GG said to the inquisitive; put what you want into your mission. This isn't Battlefield where you're stuck with whatever the devs make for you. :)

[MTFDarkEagle]

M2?

 

You referring to the 5 inch/127mm rockets?

The Browning M2 .50 Machine gun.

[EtherealN]

M2?

 

You referring to the 5 inch/127mm rockets?

 

Browning M2 .50 inch machineguns. ;)

 

EDIT: Sniped. :(

[159th_Viper]

The Browning M2 .50 Machine gun.

 

Of course yes :doh: :music_whistling:

 

Other weapons........Well, it is Digital Combat Simulator. And it's the internal fuselage tank that's the tricky one :)

[Laud]

Sure, but is this thread sooo different from the announcement-thread?

 

Now go, and open the P-51D Subforums! :)

[YorZor]

I'm not sure what you mean, but yes, I will admit that the Mustang may seem like a strange choice. We have made an effort to explain some of the reasons for this project and we understand that it isn't to everyone's taste or liking. Obviously we're not going to force anyone to agree with us or buy the product. However, my post above was merely a reminder that while your thoughts and opinion are welcome as long as they are presented in a reasonable and considerate nature, repeating your displeasure for no reason other than to state it again will eventually be interpreted as trolling.

 

Those of you who have been around long enough will surely remember the backblow ED received when the Ka-50 was selected as a flyable, and then the flamewars when DCS was first announced. In fact, every ED project since Flanker 1 had its share of public criticism. Yet it hasn't stopped the company from producing some of the most interesting, popular, and generally high quality combat flight sims on the market. Personally, I would suggest looking at the Mustang as a new and different project. If you don't feel its for you, thats fine. It may be of interest to others. As we've said, it hasn't stopped us from working on the more "mainstream" projects.

 

Well the discussion you pulling me to with that reply ain't fit to be held here since it more contains on what DCS is but a well

. I was just stating that it's a quite rare thing to charge a fee for patches that should've been free since it was supposed to be the nature of DCS (modules integrable with eachother and make them all compatible.) and not freaking charge 20$ to make happen what was promised to us from the get go.

I enjoy Ka-50 quite allot and the A-10 was a marvelous plane to pick. I enjoy both quite a bit but I think ED has to make up their mind.

 

First they say, oh we can't give you fc2 or whatever because we don't have the manpower. And now all out of nothing you have a P-51D mustang in development next to the next US fighter module?

Where did that come from? You all of a sudden have more manpower than you would need? What about FC3?

Can remember something was yet to be done there.

 

Is this just a project to keep certain parts of your team entertained and occupied between modelling and something?

ED is making themselves better than they are in my opinion. Bugs are still present that were in the first release of FC and maybe even Lo-mac. It's too hard to get those out because they don't pay you money. Simple enough, and yes while I do get ED is a commercial company and relies on the fact that it needs an income to live I think this is pushing it a bit too much.

If you have the spare manpower go make things that are usefull like a dynamic campaign and let us enjoy the full potentional that is out there.

 

The mustang simply has no room in the 80's and on part of where the rest is set in timewise. And I can appreciate that it it's an evolved tech-demo... Which shows passion on your side. I can not see me paying another 50$ for this unless it has a build-in mcdonalds or something.

 

 

PS. Trolling? Give me a break that was my first reply after my initial reaction so if that's trolling... go ahead ban me because then I'm a moron and can't differ one from the other.

[sorcer3r]

ED isn't obligated to cater to your specific desires - but they sure try. They come out with a P-51 and at the same time FC3 and DCS: Jet Fighter are being worked on - what on earth do you have to complain about? What?

 

 

You asked not me but an answer could be: DCS dedicated server :music_whistling:

;)

[GGTharos]

It's already on the wish list, and the P-51 doesn't affect it. You think the FM guy is going to write dedicated server? :P

 

You asked not me but an answer could be: DCS dedicated server :music_whistling:

;)

[rfxcasey]

A machine is called a "she" by the true gear heads and people that honestly love working on, flying, driving, riding, and just looking at those machines. You can't tell me that you have never had any form of sentimental connection to anything made of metal. When something does mean more to you than just a pile of steel and aluminum, it's human nature to personify those parts.

 

 

Edit: Anyways, super pumped for Mustang. I can't wait to have a true warbird simulator. Even though it has already been said that there will be missions and campaigns, even if there weren't I would enjoy just flying around.

 

I love, flying, driving, riding, looking and working on machines, but when you start calling it a "She" well, that just starts getting weird and creepy. I'm sure your wife or girlfriend would love being compared to or competing with a machine for your attention and if she says otherwise she is lying (which women NEVER do) to make you happy.

[dikkeduif]

It isn't even out yet..

 

my mistake, i bought the spitfire, got confused for a second, but i'll buy the P51 when it's released hopefully this month :)

My point is, that to me it makes more sense to fly these birds within fsx than in the dcs world :)

[159th_Viper]

 

First they say, oh we can't give you fc2 or whatever because we don't have the manpower.....Where did that come from? You all of a sudden have more manpower than you would need?.......Is this just a project to keep certain parts of your team entertained and occupied between modelling and something?.......ED is making themselves better than they are in my opinion........

 

This attitude right there is what is going to get you in trouble: It's immature, condescending, ignorant and rude. If you have an opinion regarding the product, by all means let it be known in a courteous and decent manner. Do not personalize the issue and direct comments such as those above at the Dev Team/ED/Anyone else for that matter ;)

 

Consider this your final reminder.

[Speed]

Well, I'm always dreaming up what theater I'd like to fly in next. And while an Iraq/Iran/Saudi Arabia map would be the ultimate playground for modern US jets... I hope ED has some top-secret dual-use map in the works, like a UK/Germany/Poland. It may be too big, but if we COULD get a Germany map (that also had UK and French airfields), then the reason I call it dual-use is we could do both reasonably realistic WWII and Cold War era combat on it. That would be pretty cool :)

 

I, like many, am not that excited over the P-51D, but, at the same time, DCS: BS is a joy to fly. I imagine the fun factor in just flying this P-51 is going to be pretty high.

[aaron886]

ED isn't obligated to cater to your specific desires

 

Pretty much.

 

 

There are plenty of people who do want a P-51, which you either didn't see because you didn't bother reading their responses, or you ignored them.

 

I think most people have no problem with a P-51... everyone likes getting new things. It's the integration into the existing environment that has people worried. Flying a Mustang around the Southern Caucasus (in an environment designed for modern combat simulation with limited navigational infrastructure and a cursory weather simulation) isn't going to get many people too excited. No affront intended towards ED, but I believe that's the root of the indignation.

[EtherealN]

and not freaking charge 20$ to make happen what was promised to us from the get go.

 

That argument is unfortunately getting old. You weren't promised anything. There was a stated ambition. It wasn't possible to fullfill that this time around. Sucks, but that's how it was. That you believed you had been promised something is a separate issue. But this has all been covered in detail in the relevant threads, so feel free to review those. :)

 

First they say, oh we can't give you fc2 or whatever because we don't have the manpower. And now all out of nothing you have a P-51D mustang in development next to the next US fighter module?

Where did that come from? You all of a sudden have more manpower than you would need? What about FC3?

Can remember something was yet to be done there.

 

I assume you have full track of all ED military projects? Right? Because without that kind of information, any attempt at guessing what ED has time to do as far as parallell development is just that - guessing. ;)

 

If you have the spare manpower go make things that are usefull like a dynamic campaign and let us enjoy the full potentional that is out there.

 

Not sure I really agree a DC is "useful", but the more pertinent question is: what makes you think people trained for developing flight models and artist trained for texturing and 3d modeling would be any sort of asset towards programming a dynamic campaign? Do you have a habit of calling the plumber to install a new phone line? ;)

[sorcer3r]

It's already on the wish list, and the P-51 doesn't affect it. You think the FM guy is going to write dedicated server? :P

 

But what else could affect it? :cry:

 

ps: I dont care who's working on it as long as someone is working on it :D

[LostOblivion]

I notice many threads already that would suit better in a common DCS thread, instead of being posted in either DCSBS or DCSW.

[BS_Fighter]

So wrong...

 

There is no way DCS with this heavy barricaded engine can compete with FSX or X-plane which are all about 3rd party addons. Just look at the PMDG, A2A, VRS, Flightsimlabs... they produced more realistic aircrafts than ED will ever do.

 

I flew to Krasnodar many times in MSFS, working flawless and actually, addon scenery (freeware) has more details than DCS one, and all navaids work.

 

 

MSFS Krasnodar:

 

 

VS

 

 

DCS Krasnodar:

 

Actually, DCS world is fictional, every single airport is wrongly positioned, rwy headings are wrong, ATC and navaid freqs. are all wrong, Novorossiysk does not exist in RL anymore, Gelendzik is more airfield than airport, there is no parallel taxiway in RL...

 

My point is that ED should concentrate resources on combat simulation only like they do right now.

 

These old DCS Bases are long outdated. One of the problems of the DCS series at the moment. I just can not understand why ED here does not create the possibility for 3th party work.

 

New 3D models are not everything.

[slowhand]

DCS P51 Thats a BAD A$$ Pony:thumbup: That opens the door for Air Races,Air Shows with custom skins,and now you too can be Chuck Yager and go Deer hunting with your P51 in the Mt's around Nevada and like the man said ITS NEW STUFF And New Stuff is better then no Stuff:megalol::thumbup::pilotfly::joystick:

[Laud]

I just can not understand why ED here does not create the possibility for 3th party work.

 

I hope they stick to that attitude!!!

 

A combat sim is always a cometitive platform. Opening all doors to 3rd party stuff does a) let ED loose the final quality control and b) open up the doors for all possible types of cheating.

 

So when you want to mod the world: Go FSX!

 

If you want to pick up a fight to see who's the better guy (or girl ;) ): Go DCS/FC!