DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012

[PeterP]

@cichlidfan

you should build something to get a ~5:1 ratio.

So you have to turn the trim five times to turn the poti once.

You can use simply two different sized gears to do this.

This Example shows a 2:1 ratio:

 

(the poti must be connected to the big one)

Edited February 12, 2012 by PeterP

[effte]

Hmmm, I still have an unused Bodnar board. Absolute, as in levers/sliders/pots? There is still time to build a controller I think.:D

 

Have a gander at:

 

http://www.stclairphoto-imaging.com/360/P51-Mustang/P51_swf.html

 

You have the trim knobs down on the port (left) side, behind the throttle. Looking at maintenance manual drawings, cockpit illustrations/photos and going by experience, I think rudder and aileron trim should be with throw as seen on the knobs but elevator trim should have a planetary gear in the mechanism making it a multi-turn affair.

 

Regards,

/Fred

[effte]

@cichlidfan

you should build something to get a ~5:1 ratio.

So you have to turn the trim five times to turn the poti once.

You can use simply two different sized gears to do

 

Likely to give you horrible control feel though, with play in the trim. Better to use a worm drive or similar I think.

[PeterP]

With all due to respect , but:

 

two gears = horrible control feel though, with play in the trim

... I don't think so. In every RC-Shop you can get gear-sets for really cheap that don't show this behaviour. Should I really write also that the gears have to fit together - and LEGO-Technics is not a really good choice for this ?! ;)

Edited February 12, 2012 by PeterP

[cichlidfan]

Multiround pots... don't know the right term though. Maybe geared pots. The idea is to have maximal control travel for the whole control range. For trimmers, I think.

 

Yes, multi-turn or trim pots, I get that.

 

So these controls have very long axis?

 

Hmmm. Thanks.

[cichlidfan]

Should I really write also that the gears have to fit together - and LEGO-Technics is not a really good choice for this ?! ;)

 

Damn, and I was about to unpack the MindStorm!!

 

Too many projects!:D

[Yo-Yo]

Yes, multi-turn or trim pots, I get that.

 

So these controls have very long axis?

 

Hmmm. Thanks.

 

By the way, the nice play-free gear one can make from an open type ball bearing. Just fix the outer ring, rotate the inner and notice what bearing race does! I am sure that there are specialised gear devices working the same way.

[Yo-Yo]

Likely to give you horrible control feel though, with play in the trim. Better to use a worm drive or similar I think.

 

The play can be eliminated by using splitted wheel tensioned with a spring. It was a standard for precise radio gearboxes when variable capacitors were used to tune.

[PeterP]

By the way, the nice play-free gear one can make from an open type ball bearing. Just fix the outer ring, rotate the inner and notice what bearing race does! I am sure that there are specialised gear devices working the same way.

That's the quick'n'dirty style to build a rather complicate planetary gear:

[Yo-Yo]

That's the quick'n'dirty style to build a rather complicate planetary gear:

 

You are right but I'd say that it's not quick'n'DIRTY because it does not play. It's very cheap but precise device. :)

[louisv]

Yes, multi-turn or trim pots, I get that.

 

So these controls have very long axis?

 

Hmmm. Thanks.

 

http://www.potentiometers.com/select_multi.cfm

[cichlidfan]

The Saitek Cessna trim wheel has 9 turn stop-to-stop. Anyone know what is inside it?

[PeterP]

Seems we will see soon some footage of Flying Legends : P51D

господа разработчики! новости будут какие ? ролики обещаные ?

 

Ну погодите немного... сейчас звук допилим и сразу.. Что это за ролик с WIP звуком?

Музыку уже Костя сделал, готовимся.

 

...if my interpretation is right .

 

 

@ cichlidfan

I really don't know -but I would expect its very similar to this:

 

... but on the other hand:

 

 

>>> http://flightsim.com/main/review/cesstrim.htm

What I Don't Like:

 

 

• Not Plug and Play like other Saitek products
  
• Doesn't fit easily under the trim wheel
  

That it is not "Plug and Play" and you need to install software is a great hint that the used potentiometer differs from normal ones.

So it could be a multi-turn potitiometer.

Edited February 16, 2012 by PeterP

[Yo-Yo]

Seems we will see soon some footage of Flying Legends : P51D

 

 

 

 

@ cichlidfan

I really don't know -but I would expect its very similar to this:

 

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I guess something is wrong in this mechanics... :)

[cichlidfan]

@ cichlidfan

I really don't know -but I would expect its very similar to this:

... but on the other hand:

>>> http://flightsim.com/main/review/cesstrim.htm

 

That it is not "Plug and Play" and you need to install software is a great hint that the used potentiometer differs from normal ones.

So it could be a multi-turn potitiometer.

 

I found the same review. In the end a good review. At least the drivers work. Only one axis so I guess it wasn't too hard to get right.

 

I might pick one up, all things considered the price could be worse and I do fly some other things where I could use it. I might build one eventually as part of another controller so I could make better use of the Bodnar board.

[cichlidfan]

I guess something is wrong in this mechanics... :)

 

I don't think Peter meant that as a correct example of the gear ratio, just the concept...I hope.;)

[PeterP]

I guess something is wrong in this mechanics... :)

:doh::megalol:Buhahahahah! - Yes you are right - should have looked more closely as I just copy'n'paste the picture from google-picture search!

 

>>for all that don't get what's wrong with it: the yellow gears should be defiantly swapped .

 

Edit: This picture sure qualifies to be put into a IQ test for Pilot aspirants. :D (...and I just failed! :))

Edited February 16, 2012 by PeterP

[Succellus]

I really hope ED includes the possibility to create a grass airfield or at least the possibility to refuel and rearm using the same types of units needed to rearm and refuel the Ka-50 on the FARP. If they just add the same rearming and refueling features as the Ka-50 and set a minimum distance from the units to work we could just use a cornfield or other farmland to create new airbase.

 

(HJ)

 

Yes now we have ause for the P51... pesticide spreading on the farms around :music_whistling:

:D

[BubbaMc]

I'm thrilled with this announcement. This addition will bring me back to PC flight sims.

 

Way to go!

[DeadLock]

Awesome!

 

I'm really looking forward to the release. :)

 

I buy every DCS product to support them.

[effte]

Edit: This picture sure qualifies to be put into a IQ test for Pilot aspirants. :D (...and I just failed! :))

 

Good way to avoid play though... ;)

[cichlidfan]

@ cichlidfan

I really don't know -but I would expect its very similar to this:

 

 

... but on the other hand:

 

 

>>> http://flightsim.com/main/review/cesstrim.htm

 

That it is not "Plug and Play" and you need to install software is a great hint that the used potentiometer differs from normal ones.

So it could be a multi-turn potitiometer.

 

I can't find a 9 turn potentiometer but 10 turns in a suitable physical package is easy.

[EaglePryde]

Nice :p

Well the next Flying legend must be an enemy of the Mustang.

That will be funny to try "Modern" fighter vs Mustang :p

 

Funny to see such an old craft in DCS but i have to say i wanna fly it :) As a Sidenote i would also like to see the Supermarine Spitfire XIX to go up against the Mustang :pilotfly:

 

A Jet would also be a needed addition thou. Atleast as support for the A10. Something like the F16 or F18

[leafer]

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[sobek]

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