Unnecessary installation authentication requirement

[GhostDog]

Why does the DCS:BS2 upgrade version patch for DCSW check for the presence of DCS:BS1? That's just silly. You can't install BS2 without authenticating BS1 first. And the BS1 authentication key remains in the registry unless you deliberately remove it. Making players reinstall BS1 in order to apply a patch for BS2 is going overboard.

[Yurgon]

Why does the DCS:BS2 upgrade version patch for DCSW check for the presence of DCS:BS1? That's just silly. You can't install BS2 without authenticating BS1 first. And the BS1 authentication key remains in the registry unless you deliberately remove it. Making players reinstall BS1 in order to apply a patch for BS2 is going overboard.

 

I agree it's a nuisance. However, I think ED was very upfront about the fact that BS1 had to be installed and activated whenever the BS2 upgrade was to be installed and activated.

 

BS2 for DCS: World is not a patch, it's a separate installation, that's why BS1 must be installed. Going for World is sort of a marathon for all of us. BS2 upgrade owners just have to throw in one additional step.

 

Of course, if you've got enough HDD space, you could just keep BS1 installed to be prepared for future BS2 (re-) installations.

[kobac]

I also think, ED should in future equate (module) installations, that we have bought for BS1 and upgrade to BS2, especially now, after moving to DCS World. After all we have given more money for the BS than those who bought just BS2 (especially if they have done over the steam) and every time we have to install BS1 and then BS2 patch. Also in this way takes us valuable space on HDD.

Edited July 12, 2012 by kobac

[Sceptre]

this way takes us valuable space on HDD.

Not if u have 3 TB left :D :D

[metalnwood]

I thought I had read that Wags said this would be rectified past the beta. We are now past the beta. Perhaps I read it incorrectly.

 

One thing is that DCS World clearly states that it and the modules must be all purchased by the same account name. This obviously means that they are doing some check and it cant be a stretch to think that they could see the bs1 key on my account as they check the bs2 key.

 

Which every way its done, I have just got everything going on a fairly new install of windows. While my graphics drivers are working and everything is set up I will _run_ to clone my drive :)

[Nate--IRL--]

I Perhaps I read it incorrectly.

 

You did.

 

Nate

[metalnwood]

yes, you are right, I now recall he said we would be able to use our upgrade in final as we were not able to use it in beta. We can do that now, just an extra hoop to get there :)

[Tucano_uy]

So, to install BS2 upgrade into DCS:World, BS1 still needs to be installed in the same PC. Right? Wouldn't be good to provide both BS1+BS2 Upgrade keys while activating BS2 Upgrade in the future to avoid the need to keep BS1?

[Rusty_M]

Personally, I kept BS1 downloaded, but not installed, so it takes up a bit less space. I install it temporarily when I need to install the BS2 Upgrade.

[KaspeR32]

ED should just stop selling the BS2 Upgrade, then they can just combine all the BS2 upgrade and BS2 full keys. New players will be forced to buy the full BS2 but I'm pretty sure 99% of people that own BS1 already purchased the BS2 upgrade.

 

That's the only reason I can see for ED to still keep these keys separate, so new players can't buy the upgrade and just use it without having purchased BS1.

[pixelpilot]

ok it was a bit of a nuisance. But i dug out the box installed BS1 then installed the BS2 upgrade module into DCS World. All in about 10 minutes of my life, cup of tea, nice wee reminisce with the old box and a disc (how quaint) Ive had much bigger swathes of time wasted in much more infuriating ways. I guess i can just uninstall BS1 straight away now? ironically i didnt even load BS1 so it never asked for my serial.

 

Ive said it elsewhere but i'll say it again. There should be an option through your store account to submit your serial for BS1 and your serial for BS2 upgrade and then be issued with a new key for BS2full. Hell they could even just have one download for BS2 and at checkout you could enter your BS1 serial as a discount coupon code. obviously that second option wont help those that allready bought the upgrade. I agree with Kasper32 very few that have bs1 wont have got the upgrade allready.

[ckek]

Why does the DCS:BS2 upgrade version patch for DCSW check for the presence of DCS:BS1? That's just silly. You can't install BS2 without authenticating BS1 first. And the BS1 authentication key remains in the registry unless you deliberately remove it. Making players reinstall BS1 in order to apply a patch for BS2 is going overboard.

 

i think so too.:(

[sjpateys]

Why does the DCS:BS2 upgrade version patch for DCSW check for the presence of DCS:BS1? That's just silly. You can't install BS2 without authenticating BS1 first. And the BS1 authentication key remains in the registry unless you deliberately remove it. Making players reinstall BS1 in order to apply a patch for BS2 is going overboard.

 

If you didn't require BS1 in order to install the upgrade, nobody would buy the full version.

Why else would people buy the full version if this wasn't the case?

[PeterP]

@ GhostDog

 

short: that's the lot of Us that have bought the "upgrade" !

 

if there wasn't a upgrade - you would have paid the full price - than you wouldn't have to activate BS1 first.

 

 

- So - if you want to get rid of having BS1 activated all the time : BUY the full BS2 version.

It is so simple ! - Damn!! :)

 

Can you hold in just one second to see this hole matter just one second from the merchant perspective?!

 

If you can - maybe this all will make sense to you...:)

Edited July 13, 2012 by PeterP

[sjpateys]

@ GhostDog

 

short: that's the lot of Us that have bought the "upgrade" !

 

if there wasn't a upgrade - you would have paid the full price - than you wouldn't have to activate BS1 first.

 

 

- So - if you want to get rid of having BS1 activated all the time : BUY the full BS2 version.

It is so simple ! - Damn!! :)

 

Can you hold in just one second to see this hole matter just one second from the merchant perspective?!

 

If you can - maybe this all will make sense to you...:)

 

Thankyou Peter

 

I thought I might be missing something, but it seems not

[McDaniel]

still......I have to agree I was feeling a little strange to have BS1 installed again to have a upgrade. Even as one of the fanboys I think its silly.

McDan out

[PeterP]

again: you dont have to install ... (as long you didn't deactivated BS1)

... you only have a activated BS1 on your system/registry - it doesn't matter if the game files are really on your HD .

 

...

 

Means: after activating via star-force you can de-install BS1. - again: you don't need a copy on your hard-drive - a activation of BS1 is fully sufficient to install a BS2 upgrade !

Edited July 13, 2012 by PeterP

[pixelpilot]

If you didn't require BS1 in order to install the upgrade, nobody would buy the full version.

Why else would people buy the full version if this wasn't the case?

 

not arguing that people who saved money by buying the upgrade shouldn't have to own BS1 to take advantage of the offer, but to actually have to install it rather than just enter the key is odd. When i installed the BS2 upgrade (1.1.1.1) i did not have BS1 installed at the time nor did the new installation ask for the BS1 serial (still stored in registry) but now i've installed DCS world and the BS2 upgrade module all of a sudden i have to install the old BS1 to make it work. Its odd but, as i said earlier, not that much of a hardship. I will however be pretty pissed if it becomes a regular occurance when patches are released. I have no intention of leaving BS1 installed permantly.

[Dudikoff]

If you didn't require BS1 in order to install the upgrade, nobody would buy the full version. Why else would people buy the full version if this wasn't the case?

 

LOL, like those are the only two options possible. How about e.g. giving us BS1 buyers the option to upgrade to full BS2 keys (and giving up on our BS1 keys) so we can skip this extra installation step?

 

Or, actually, since the BS2 upgrade is a separate installation file from the regular BS2, (as someone before me suggested) one would expect that it offers an installation option to enter the BS1 key and activate it before proceeding with the BS2 installation. I'm convinced that most of the BS1 buyers won't really play BS1 now that the BS2 is out.

 

BTW, I did actually have BS1 installed on this computer before and I uninstalled it after the BS2 upgrade installation. Maybe I deactivated it, though. And I deleted the BS1 installation (of course). And I'm abroad and the internet sucks here (of course).

Edited July 13, 2012 by Dudikoff

[GhostDog]

again: you dont have to install ... (as long you didn't deactivated BS1)

... you only have a activated BS1 on your system/registry - it doesn't matter if the game files are really on your HD .

 

...

 

Means: after activating via star-force you can de-install BS1. - again: you don't need a copy on your hard-drive - a activation of BS1 is fully sufficient to install a BS2 upgrade !

 

Not true. The BS2 1.2.0.0 DCSW module will not install unless BS1 is physically present on the hard drive. Doesn't matter if the key is in your registry, which was my specific complaint.

 

edit: of course, it may just be searching for the executable. if i can delete everything else and just leave the executable on the hard drive, i can live with that.

Edited July 13, 2012 by GhostDog