Next DCS (Russian) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[Farlander]

I'm gonna stop you right there because you missed the point. It's not about not having ground attacks , it's about not being able to do anything other then firing long range missiles and run away.

 

Yes.. we can make anything sound easy if you want that kind of discussion..

 

F-15 is boring.. you just turn on radar, lock some people up, fire some missiles and wait for them to do the work for you before you run back to base to get some more missiles..

Edited August 15, 2015 by Farlander

[Xeno426]

Yes.. we can make anything sound easy if you want that kind of discussion..

 

F-15 is boring.. you just turn on radar, lock some people up, fire some missiles and wait for them to do the work for you before you run back to base to get some more missiles..

Except the F-15 can dogfight, which are fun to get engaged with. The MiG-31 cannot dogfight.

[Vampyre]

Except the F-15 can dogfight, which are fun to get engaged with. The MiG-31 cannot dogfight.

 

Except that it can dogfight... very poorly. Just because it doesn't have rate or radius like a Hornet or Falcon doesn't mean that it cannot operate in the merge. That's what BFM is, operating in the merge. Even the AV-8 Harrier, F-105 Thunderchief and A-7 Corsair II practiced BFM and they are terrible turners. The Thud even has gun kills. Granted, it will take an extremely lucky MiG-31 pilot to survive a turning dogfight but the jet does have speed and a lot of fuel which will save your life in an engagement. A component of BFM is picking the correct time to disengage and escape. BVR... The MiG-31 is literally the 500lb Gorilla in the room and its BVR game should be feared. The R-33 is the primary weapon, but it only has four of those. Its wing pylons can carry either two R-40T's or four R-60's for closer engagements. The R-60 is a dogfight missile as its max range is only a little bit beyond cannon range. Interesting huh? This is where you reply and say "that's what I meant" even though you used absolute terms like can and cannot when referring to dogfighting ability. Now, If dogfighting ability is the metric that will be used to measure the fun factor then it will get no better than in WWII or Korean era fighters... all dogfight all the time.

 

I for one would like to see a MiG-25 in DCS. At least three versions. The PD, BM and RB. Of course, before that, I would also like to see a MiG-27K or Su-17M4. Well, I'd like to see almost all of late Cold War jets... 1965-1991ish.

[Farlander]

Except the F-15 can dogfight, which are fun to get engaged with. The MiG-31 cannot dogfight.

 

And that statement comes from the whole 100% of the community?

 

That's like saying the there is no point in having a FW-190 because the spitfire is a better turner... you see? it's all about what you prefer. Now, i do prefer a dogfight in a spitfire more than a fight in a fw-190, but i can still understand that some people like the fw-190 over the spitfire.

 

You might not like the MiG-25/31 or whatever the plane might be.. but you'll have to respect that some people do.. and the fact that a MiG-25/31 would be added does not mean your favorite plane wont.

 

If you don't like it, don't fly it.

Edited August 15, 2015 by Farlander

[King_Hrothgar]

Dogfighting is more than just rolling to the side 90 degrees and pulling the stick as hard as you can. Dogfighting an F-15 in a MiG-25 would be similar to dogfighting an A6M in an F4U. If you turn, you die. But blow through at absurd speed taking shots along the way and you'll dominate. And you have to understand that the MiG-25 isn't just a little bit faster than an F-15, it's a lot faster and the F-15C is one of the fastest things in the sky. Many of the aircraft being worked on are a lot slower. In particular, the F-5E, tops out at less than half the speed of the MiG-25PD. That's about like putting a Gloster Gladiator up against an Fw-190D9. Well flown, the Gladiator can dodge attacks all day. But he will never get a shot at the Fw-190 either if it too is well flown. The same applies to the MiG-25 vs F-5E, F/A-18C, both upcoming Mirages and many other aircraft in or in development for DCS.

[frantzleb0ucher]

and on top of all, dont buy it!

[WinterH]

I'm under no illusions that MiG-25 or MiG-31 can dogfight. Personally I don't really think Corsair vs Zero analogy or A-7, F-105 and Harrier training BFM relate to that. Compared to MiG-25 and 31, those things are all still maneuvrable alright.

 

But, Foxbat and Foxhound can still be a pretty valid aerial threat, and can still disengage more or less at will if things don't quite work out. They'd require strict discipline and would be very interesting / enoyable in this regard.

 

Someone made a Me-262 analogy, and I think it does apply to Foxbat and Foxhound. You'd come in fast and high, fire away, and egress just as fast. You can turn back miles and miles away and come back for another run again, once you've extended far and safe enough, but you don't try to do any kind of maneuvring, up-close fight.

 

Also, MiG-25 has interesting versions like a SEAD specialized one, and well as one that can lob bombs in a CCRP mode from pretty ridiculous ranges at supersonic speed.

 

MiG-31, on the other hand, would be a very potent BVR platform and almost a mini AWACS.

 

So yeah, people saying they can't dogfight are, at least in my opinion right, however, this does not make those aircraft any less interesting. Infact, they are arguably more interesting than many dogfighters. I personally would love seeing either in my DCS stable.

 

Would I not love to see a maneuvrable, dogfigt-y, multirole modern Russian bird ? Absolutely... any of the advanced Sukhois, even Su-34, or the MiG-29K, or the Chinese 4th generation fighters. But, this sadly is just unlikely to happen.

[Kunze13]

Lets not forget that this must be some plane to keep balance in DCS world, dominated by american fighters with amraam. Su-35S it is a beast and could outperform them all, Mig-35 also, but in less degree. I think Su-30sm and Mig-29k could be better options to keep the balance.

 

 

Su-34 would be like a dream, imagine doing a campaign with that beast with complex air to ground missions.

 

the SU27Sm3 is also a viable option, with the R-73M(slightly higher angle of lock)

 

and R-77 and R-27EP ARH missles itd be the russian module awnser to the F15

 

however the SU35 needs to be considered as an Awnser to the typhoon upcoming

[dartuil]

Why not yak-130?

The best trainer in the world?

But I would like Su-27 or 33 with full DCS level and clickable cockpit.

Edited August 16, 2015 by dartuil

[wilky510]

the SU27Sm3 is also a viable option, with the R-73M(slightly higher angle of lock)

 

and R-77 and R-27EP ARH missles itd be the russian module awnser to the F15

 

however the SU35 needs to be considered as an Awnser to the typhoon upcoming

Uh? answer for the F-15? Do you mean answer for the AMRAAMs?

 

So the Russians get an upgraded R-73, R-77 on the Su-27 (which they have no proof of being in any decent numbers for the VVS), and an R-27EP which has been said to be only used for AWACs, while the F-15 is stuck with an AIM-9M (AIM-9X has been in service for 10 years and has been produced for the USAF in huge amounts of numbers) and versions of the AMRAAM that didn't receive any ranged upgrades (ie C-5 and up, GGtharos has said our AMRAAM C is mostly like a C-4 or below).

 

Don't honestly see how that will make things even up, but ok.

[tovivan]

DCS Il-76 MD

 

I would definitely love to fly this big transport legend and do some logistics. Anyone else feel the same?

 

Maybe do a replay of that final action scene in the very interesting movie Kandagar... :pilotfly:

 

Funny thing I noticed is that the 76 model ingame is much more detailed looking than for example the Su-30 and maybe even on par with MiG-29 (aside from outside-into-cockpit that is).

 

Plus, there's some excellent opportunity/motivation for multicrew right there. Would bring back the good times of IL-2 of planes full of buddies taking all the stations. :D

 

[Evilducky]

we need a SU-25.. the US has the A10C.. we need a good DCS level russian air to ground plane. :( Flying the 25a with that cockpit is soo teasing.

[vicx]

Tovivan I was admiring that model in the Modelviewer the other day. You are right that it is very nicely made. I do spend time flying but I enjoy playing with my 1:1 model aircraft in DCS too.

 

I would love the ability to script an airport environment and have many things going on. Most of the models have the animation args ready to go for this kind of thing. Hopefully the new editor will open up this type of feature to be added in the future.

 

Yes it would be great to fly in a simulated Il-76 but I think that is a very long term vision.

[Pilotasso]

the SU27Sm3 is also a viable option, with the R-73M(slightly higher angle of lock)

 

and R-77 and R-27EP ARH missles itd be the russian module awnser to the F15

 

however the SU35 needs to be considered as an Awnser to the typhoon upcoming

 

You got a lot of things backwards.

 

The AMRAAM was the answer to the R27 Series, and the typhoon was specifically designed to meet the now extinct Su-37 terminator, but the Su-35S closely matches what the 37 was supposed to be. So there you have it.

[XeNoise]

Mig 28 :P

[Xeno426]

Mig 28 :P

RAZBAM is already working on the F-5E.

[XeNoise]

I always failed at realizing that those mig 28 are f-5e, thanks for info. Would be funny to have a mig28 skin for it.

[King_Hrothgar]

The "MiG-28 skin" is from VFC-13 "Saints." It's a safe bet that particular squadrons markings will be included with the updated 3d model or the NTTR map since they play such a prominent role there. Also, I'm pretty sure it's BST doing the F-5, not RAZBAM.

[Xeno426]

The "MiG-28 skin" is from VFC-13 "Saints." It's a safe bet that particular squadrons markings will be included with the updated 3d model or the NTTR map since they play such a prominent role there. Also, I'm pretty sure it's BST doing the F-5, not RAZBAM.

I may very well be misremembering who is doing the module. In any event, it is one being made.

[Dappman]

Mikoyan MiG-25PDSL 'Foxbat-E please

[Vampyre]

Mikoyan MiG-25PDSL 'Foxbat-E please

 

You do know they only made one of those, right?

[King_Hrothgar]

Yeah, I don't get that. The MiG-25 is #1 on my Russian fixed wing wishlist but I want the standard PD. I've never understood the desire for super rare variants over more common ones.

[vicx]

I've never understood the desire for super rare variants over more common ones.

 

:) I'd say it has everything to do with ones personal philosophy.

 

I DO understand why people might want to populate the sim with common configurations BUT you better believe I want to fly a rare bird. Another way to put it ... everyone else can have white bread, but I want a donut. This is pretty easy to understand.

 

I DO think it is best that most modules use common configurations but I'm certainly not against modules that might be rare, unusual or prototypes.

 

I think most developers take a more prosaic approach. What aircraft configuration do they have the best data for. That's the one they make.

 

P.S A lot of players are against the idea of dedicated interceptors in DCS but that rules out a lot of awesome Russian aircraft because their defensive doctrine was very focused on this. All the jet age interceptors are fascinating to me. Su-15 Flagon I always liked but it was VERY specialised; made to intercept nuke bombers over vast distance and not much else.

 

Compared to Flagon, Mig-25 is a more practical choice. I agree that Mig-25 would be a great module.

[WinterH]

I would like some rare variants of some aircraft, but a variant of which only one is made indeed a bit off :).

[Solty]

We already have Su27s and MiG29. MiG25 or 31 would be a great choice for the future. Both ate unique and 25 is 3mach right? They would have completely different play style than other planes we have in the game.