whaTsup Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Obviously this is hard to perform in the first place but it seems like I may be having some extra issues. It seems regardless of how smoothly I hook up with the boom, I stay latched for a maximum of 2 seconds, every time, before I DC. Smooth/rough contacts alike, the disconnect time is the same regardless. Anyone else have this problem? Am I omitting a button or am I STILL not level/fluid enough? Thanks for your help
Rusty_M Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Every time you contact then disconnect the slipway gets reset and you have to reach down and open it again. Complete PITA. Just press the pinky button on your stick/insert on the keyboard. The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine! http://www.twitch.tv/rusty_the_robot https://www.youtube.com/user/RustyRobotGaming
cichlidfan Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Btw, there is an unwritten rule that after 27 failed attempts, plus or minus 3, you are permitted to back off, count to 10 and then... ...Blow the thing up!! :D 1 ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
WildBillKelsoe Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Btw, there is an unwritten rule that after 27 failed attempts, plus or minus 3, you are permitted to back off, count to 10 and then... ...Blow the thing up!! :D Or point the gun at the boom operator... AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Zomba Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 I mumble threats over the comms. Seems to work fine. for me. I don't test for bugs, but when I do I do it in production.
Madman777 Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Obviously this is hard to perform in the first place but it seems like I may be having some extra issues. It seems regardless of how smoothly I hook up with the boom, I stay latched for a maximum of 2 seconds, every time, before I DC. Smooth/rough contacts alike, the disconnect time is the same regardless. Anyone else have this problem? Am I omitting a button or am I STILL not level/fluid enough? Thanks for your help I was feeling hopeless myself at one point because I was putting so much effort into it and I couldn't stay connected for even a few seconds. Until I read something about changing the response curves on the joystick. I put both pitch and roll at about 30-40 smooth curve and suddenly I could stay connected. Shortly after I had first complete refuelling without disconnecting. I'm using X-52 so that might had something to do with it. :-) i7-12700k, 32GB Ram, RTX 3060 12GB, TrackIR 5, Lots of SSD Space, etc etc DCS World - All the cool modules
FreeFall Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Just press the pinky button on your stick/insert on the keyboard. Yes. Using stick pinky button is much easier than moving that grey Air Refuel Control Lever back and forth. Until I read something about changing the response curves on the joystick. I put both pitch and roll at about 30-40 smooth curve and suddenly I could stay connected. Shortly after I had first complete refuelling without disconnecting. I'm using X-52 so that might had something to do with it. :-) You can also try changing the curvature of the throttle.
Kaiza Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Obviously this is hard to perform in the first place but it seems like I may be having some extra issues. It seems regardless of how smoothly I hook up with the boom, I stay latched for a maximum of 2 seconds, every time, before I DC. Smooth/rough contacts alike, the disconnect time is the same regardless. Anyone else have this problem? Am I omitting a button or am I STILL not level/fluid enough? Thanks for your help Was this on multiplayer? I have seen a bug where the tanker calls disconnect 2 seconds after you connect no matter how well you fly. [url=http://www.aef-hq.com.au/aef4/forumdisplay.php?262-Digital-Combat-Simulator][SIGPIC]http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2500/a10161sqnsignitureedite.png[/SIGPIC][/url]
FreeFall Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 ^^ Kinda funny video! Once I had a hard contact with the tanker and the tanker lost its whole left wing -> lotsa smoke. I thought the tanker would dive into the sea as usual, but it just kept flying. No problem, one wing left seems to be enough :confused:. I decided to follow the tanker and see if something's gonna happen. It took maybe 15 minutes and then the captain of the tanker (still spreading smoke and flying with one wing only) told he is gonna RTB. I followed the tanker as it landed. No problem with landing at all. On the runway I tried to overtake the tanker. However, I hit the invisible left wing (which somehow was still there...) and we both exploded. :D
almonds Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 ^^ Kinda funny video! Once I had a hard contact with the tanker and the tanker lost its whole left wing -> lotsa smoke. I thought the tanker would dive into the sea as usual, but it just kept flying. No problem, one wing left seems to be enough :confused:. I decided to follow the tanker and see if something's gonna happen. It took maybe 15 minutes and then the captain of the tanker (still spreading smoke and flying with one wing only) told he is gonna RTB. I followed the tanker as it landed. No problem with landing at all. On the runway I tried to overtake the tanker. However, I hit the invisible left wing (which somehow was still there...) and we both exploded. :D LOL! :lol: "The art of simulation design is about understanding limited fidelity... ...compromises must be made. Designers have to consider cost vs. fidelity and processor time vs. fidelity. Additional trade-offs must be made between graphics, AI, flight models, number of units and more... ...never ask the pilot what he wants to learn because he too will end up building an airplane. Instead, ask the pilot what he needs to learn." -Gilman "Chopstick" Louie
FreeFall Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 BTW, the tanker seemed to be a real "fast mover" compared with my A-10C. I almost lost it because A-10C is so damn slow.
Pyroflash Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Was this on multiplayer? I have seen a bug where the tanker calls disconnect 2 seconds after you connect no matter how well you fly. Sometimes this happens, but usually it is a simple matter of clicking the pinky button to reset your refueling status. Then refueling continues, usually without incident. BTW, the tanker seemed to be a real "fast mover" compared with my A-10C. I almost lost it because A-10C is so damn slow.[/Quote] Yeah, the tanker can move quite a bit faster than an A-10C, and in real life, part of the job of a tanker pilot is to match speeds for the airframe that is being refueled. The KC-135 pilot has tables that he will dig out to find what speeds are supposed to be flown for whatever type of aircraft he is going to be fueling. So IRL this really isn't an issue, however in the sim it is modeled incorrectly, so it is up to the mission editor to assign the right speeds to the KC-135. Edited August 31, 2012 by Pyroflash If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
Echo38 Posted September 1, 2012 Posted September 1, 2012 Just press the pinky button on your stick/insert on the keyboard. By the way, this is the "HOTAS Nosewheel Steering Button" in the HOTAS category of the controls.
whaTsup Posted September 1, 2012 Author Posted September 1, 2012 Was this on multiplayer? I have seen a bug where the tanker calls disconnect 2 seconds after you connect no matter how well you fly. As a matter of fact it is happening in multiplayer. I'm doing Dragons training pack, running the normal free flight mission in MP by myself so it will work. I'm assuming no fix for this bug? Does this bug effect everyone or just the host? I also tried it on the free flight stormy mission with the same results. Thanks for your responses everyone!
whaTsup Posted September 1, 2012 Author Posted September 1, 2012 Thanks for all of the other advice as well by the way. The nose wheel steering/insert function after disconnection is definitely something I wasn't aware of for the first few hours of my attempts haha! Certainly won't forget now though
whaTsup Posted September 1, 2012 Author Posted September 1, 2012 Sometimes this happens, but usually it is a simple matter of clicking the pinky button to reset your refueling status. Then refueling continues, usually without incident. I tried this as well, it disconnected me (physically as well as by audio) immediately and says 'transfer complete'.
Slap_Chop Posted September 2, 2012 Posted September 2, 2012 My aerial refueling attempt ;):doh: usually what happens That is awsum almonds !!! Thanks for the good laugh. I needed that . You've obviously been using some of my personal refueling tricks :thumbup: I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy and I've had both. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
almonds Posted September 2, 2012 Posted September 2, 2012 That is awsum almonds !!! Thanks for the good laugh. I needed that . You've obviously been using some of my personal refueling tricks :thumbup: :thumbup: "The art of simulation design is about understanding limited fidelity... ...compromises must be made. Designers have to consider cost vs. fidelity and processor time vs. fidelity. Additional trade-offs must be made between graphics, AI, flight models, number of units and more... ...never ask the pilot what he wants to learn because he too will end up building an airplane. Instead, ask the pilot what he needs to learn." -Gilman "Chopstick" Louie
Phantom453 Posted September 2, 2012 Posted September 2, 2012 Yeah, the tanker can move quite a bit faster than an A-10C, and in real life, part of the job of a tanker pilot is to match speeds for the airframe that is being refueled. The KC-135 pilot has tables that he will dig out to find what speeds are supposed to be flown for whatever type of aircraft he is going to be fueling. So IRL this really isn't an issue, however in the sim it is modeled incorrectly, so it is up to the mission editor to assign the right speeds to the KC-135. What is the ideal speed for the A-10C to conduct AAR??
Ironhand Posted September 2, 2012 Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) ...What is the ideal speed for the A-10C to conduct AAR?? A reference here that states an ORBIT speed of 255 KIAS: ATP-56(B) Part 5, Annex ZB. But the sentence continues: "to facilitate the rendezvous slowdown to the A-10 AAR speed" suggesting that the contact speed is actually slower. Then there's this: Altus KC-135 and C-17 AIR REFUELING STUDY GUIDE which indicates an AR speed of 220 (TAS, I believe, since the other tables seem to be TAS). Not sure about accuracy as this is from a "virtual" AF. Rich Edited September 2, 2012 by Ironhand YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
FreeFall Posted September 2, 2012 Posted September 2, 2012 BTW, the tanker seemed to be a real "fast mover" compared with my A-10C. I almost lost it because A-10C is so damn slow. I have to clarify my previous message a bit, so you don't have false impression: The tanker speed was just right when I was refuelling. But after telling he's gonna RTB, the tanker speeded up considerably and I couldn't keep up.
Echo38 Posted September 3, 2012 Posted September 3, 2012 Nosewheel steering/lase latch button? Yep, that's the one.
BeachAV8R Posted September 5, 2012 Posted September 5, 2012 We just covered A2A Refueling in this month's PC Pilot magazine.. Might want to pick it up and have a browse of it.. (if you take it into the bathroom like George did on Seinfeld..you're gonna have to buy it..) :D
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