FPS drops and stutters

[doveman]

Actually it does seem not to stutter much without the 12.6 dll, which is surprising as I thought 12.6 was meant to be good and stable.

 

Framerates are still bad though. I've attached a track if anyone has the time to play it and see what they get. By the time the auto-startup has finished and all systems are running, I got 34 looking ahead, 23 looking left and 26 looking right. When I turn left to taxi, it dropped to 20 but then up to 30 again once I'd moved along a bit passed the other parked vehicles.

 

Further along, when I was at the junction between the two runways and the other helo was approaching me, it dropped to 20 again. Once in the air I was getting about 50 looking ahead and 30-38 looking left or right although it depending where I was and was below 30 in some places. I tried the no-cockpit forward view (Alt+F1) a few times and that increased it from 50 to 95 or later 40 to about 65.

 

Towards the end, after I flew back over the airfield, I tried backwards towards the airfield so that I was facing the back of the chair with the labels visible and that caused it to drop into the 20s as well, whilst looking away sent it back up to 42.

 

If I could maintain at least 30 FPS I'd limit it to that and be happy but I can't put up with it dropping into the low 20s.

 

EDIT: Just saw Lange_666's comment that 1.2.1 is out, so I'll give that a try. Pain that we have to completely uninstall DCSW and BS2 before installing 1.2.1 though, as obviously that will remove all our tweaks and mods. Obviously I can go through and backup the relevant .cfg files, etc but it's still a pain!

Cold Start in Mozdok-Low FPS.trk

Edited October 1, 2012 by doveman

[GriffonBR]

Me too, I´ll give a chance for the new version of DCS World, my download is almost complete so I'll try it tonight.

 

Praying.:D

[NineLine]

Sorry if this has been pointed out as well, but complex missions (alot of units and stuff going on) adversely effect performance as well.

[TheMoose]

I used to get a lot of stutter, however after changing to a SSD drive stutter was reduced big time.

 

Do you have a HDD or a SSD ?

 

Thanks I just upgraded to SSD looking forward to test it out on DCS :D

[Wolf Rider]

@ Doveman and Griffon...

 

Just a question, but what is the instal path for your TIR install and Operating System?

ie is Windows Vista/ 7 and do you have the TIR installed into the C:\ Program Files?

 

Doveman, DCS doesn't use Tesselation - turn it off in the CP perhaps and fps drops around the airfields/ large towns is a known

Edited October 2, 2012 by Wolf Rider

[doveman]

@ Doveman and Griffon...

 

Just a question, but what is the instal path for your TIR install and Operating System?

ie is Windows Vista/ 7 and do you have the TIR installed into the C:\ Program Files?

 

Doveman, DCS doesn't use Tesselation - turn it off in the CP perhaps and fps drops around the airfields/ large towns is a known

 

I'm running W7 and I don't use TIR.

 

I've already made a profile in CCC to set Tesselation to 1x as advised, it doesn't seem possible to turn it off completely.

 

As for FPS drops around airfields, whilst that's understandable to a point because of the activity around there, it doesn't make much sense that I get 20 FPS drops from looking straight ahead whilst parked on the airfield to looking out the left or right windows.

[GriffonBR]

@ Doveman and Griffon...

 

Just a question, but what is the instal path for your TIR install and Operating System?

ie is Windows Vista/ 7 and do you have the TIR installed into the C:\ Program Files?

 

Doveman, DCS doesn't use Tesselation - turn it off in the CP perhaps and fps drops around the airfields/ large towns is a known

 

My Track IR installation at C:\Program Files (x86)\NaturalPoint.

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bits

[Wolf Rider]

Two things to try in that case:

 

1. run both TIR and DCS as Administrator

2. give both TIR and DCS (assuming DCS is also installed into C:\ Program Files) root folders Full Control.

Edited October 2, 2012 by Wolf Rider

[GriffonBR]

1. run both TIR and DCS as Administrator

Already did. No effect:(

 

2. give both TIR and DCS (assuming DCS is also installed into C:\ Program Files) root folders Full Control.

I´ve had installed my Track on my OS Hard Drive, I have one Hard Drive only for games. Now I installed the TrackIr software on my Games HD but with no effect. I don´t know how to do it this "root folders Full Control." Could you explain to me, please?

 

Thanks for the help, Wolf Rider.

[Lange_666]

If you have admin rights (which you should if it's your own PC), there is no need to get full control because you will already have that

 

- Open Windows Explorer (or any other file explorer)

- Go to the directory of either TIR or DCS

- Click right on the directory of your choise and select "Properties" (english version)

- A window with some tabs will open, select the "Security" tab.

- In that tab you will see 2 little windows, one with the users account (authentic users, system, admins and normal users) and one below that with the permissions.

- You will notice that full control has no tag behind it but that is for "authentic users or regular users". You can change this to give them "full control".

- If you are an admin on your own computer there is no need to change since admins already have full control.

 

Honestly, i'm pretty sure you will gain no benefits out of it, performance wise unless Wolf Rider can shine a brighter light on this matter...:book:

[GriffonBR]

Well, I've tried everything that people already told me to do here. Honestly, I´m about to giving up of DCS World, it´s such problematic that I prefer to stay with my Flaming Cliffs 2 when I want to fire some Sidewinders instead to fire some .50cals at IL-2 Sturmovik 46. I must have a Modern Flight Combat Sim on my PC.

 

I was thinking... Could some option on Nvidia CP do some kind of thing to mess with my TrackIR on DCS World? I´ve tryed a lot of options there so I guess that I´ve made something wrong. I say again that I only have TrackIR problems with DCS World, my other games are running fine.

 

Guys, thanks for your great patience.:thumbup:

Edited October 3, 2012 by GriffonBR

[Wolf Rider]

Honestly, i'm pretty sure you will gain no benefits out of it, performance wise unless Wolf Rider can shine a brighter light on this matter...:book:

 

 

Windows Vista/ 7 run the C:\Program Files as a protected system (as learned from FSX installed into the same... it wouldn't allow changes to be made to the fsx cfg file). Administrator rights may be, but in the C:\ Program files (as default) you run as User...Hence the (hidden) Virtual Store folder in User in C:\ Users\ YOU\ App Data\ Local\ - and the (sometimes) necessity of setting permissions

 

@Griffon...

 

You've been offered up some settings, which do work, on another thread

Edited October 3, 2012 by Wolf Rider

[GriffonBR]

Yes, it really worked and still working, but only when my Tracker is off. I've told this already.

I only get bad FPS and shutters with Track IR on.

[Wolf Rider]

yes, and so have others in the past... have you (researched) and tried the advice given? Your Tracker is on the C:\Program Files\ Naturalpoint?

A simpler way may also be to uninstall your tracker and reinstal it on your games HD, and go to the Virtual Store folder to check if anything tracker wise is there and delete that if there is.

 

 

@Doveman...

Is there a tick box to uncheck?

Edited October 3, 2012 by Wolf Rider

[GriffonBR]

ctually, my Natual Point files are installed on my Games HD, I did this yesterday with no effects.

I´m also tried everything that you and the other guys told me to do, I will try some other things today.

 

I´m also looked at Google about "Track Ir Shutters" but theres nothing much about it.

 

Well, thanks one more time, man. I´ll keep my fight.:(

[aceviper]

ctually, my Natual Point files are installed on my Games HD, I did this yesterday with no effects.

I´m also tried everything that you and the other guys told me to do, I will try some other things today.

 

I´m also looked at Google about "Track Ir Shutters" but theres nothing much about it.

 

Well, thanks one more time, man. I´ll keep my fight.:(

 

 

Maybe you need to limit your fps....to keep those "shutters" to a minimum.:thumbup:

[GriffonBR]

YEEEEEEEES, GOT IT. I SOLVED MY PROBLEM!!!!:rotflmao:

 

I've just had to "play" a little bit with the Nvidia Control Panel .

 

60/40 now on DCS World. No Track Ir Shutters. Ready for Flaming Cliffs 3:pilotfly::joystick:

 

Here´s my settings.

 

 

Thanks you guys for all the help.:D

[doveman]

YEEEEEEEES, GOT IT. I SOLVED MY PROBLEM!!!!:rotflmao:

 

I've just had to "play" a little bit with the Nvidia Control Panel .

 

60/40 now on DCS World. No Track Ir Shutters. Ready for Flaming Cliffs 3:pilotfly::joystick:

 

Thanks you guys for all the help.:D

 

Congrats mate, enjoy. Maybe us AMD owners will find our solution sometime soon as well ;)

[SkateZilla]

Congrats mate, enjoy. Maybe us AMD owners will find our solution sometime soon as well ;)

 

Open CCC

Goto Gaming Perf.

Scroll down to Antistrophic Filtering,

Take it off APP Controlled,

Drop it from the max 16X.

Save Profile.

 

problem is DCS.exe launches to a different EXE once you leave the main menu (going to mission or MP).

 

So you'd have to make it global.

 

Triple Buffering is an OpenGL function.

Edited October 4, 2012 by SkateZilla

[doveman]

Open CCC

Goto Gaming Perf.

Scroll down to Antistrophic Filtering,

Take it off APP Controlled,

Drop it from the max 16X.

Save Profile.

 

problem is DCS.exe launches to a different EXE once you leave the main menu (going to mission or MP).

 

So you'd have to make it global.

 

a) why would leaving it on App controlled be a problem. Surely DCSW/BS2 can set it to the appropriate level itself, no?

 

b) GriffonBR has it set to App controlled and it doesn't seem to be a problem for him

 

c) I've never found AF to make any difference in framerates in any other game at 16x. AA sure but AF, no.

 

d) if DCS.exe is not the correct exe then I guess there's no point having a profile for it in CCC. So what are the correct exes for BS2 SP and MP?

[SkateZilla]

a) why would leaving it on App controlled be a problem. Surely DCSW/BS2 can set it to the appropriate level itself, no?

 

b) GriffonBR has it set to App controlled and it doesn't seem to be a problem for him

 

c) I've never found AF to make any difference in framerates in any other game at 16x. AA sure but AF, no.

 

d) if DCS.exe is not the correct exe then I guess there's no point having a profile for it in CCC. So what are the correct exes for BS2 SP and MP?

 

oops, i looked at texture filtering and saw Anti-S.... and completely missed that he had it on APP Controled.

 

also I incorrectly stated that DCS.EXE profiles dont work, the game runs under DCS.exe, but the Window Name Changes when it goes from the Main Menu to MP Menu and to the Game Renderer.

 

I am still having an ALT Tab issue, when I go back to DCS from Alt Tabbing, I Sit at a Black screen for 30-60 Seconds,

Waiting for the Renderer to restore, Didnt have this problem in 1.2.0,

 

if that isnt any indication of the slower renderer speed in 1.2.1 I dont know what is.

[_Dredd]

Triple buffering kills TrackIR 5.x as well with CCC :thumbup:

[doveman]

oops, i looked at texture filtering and saw Anti-S.... and completely missed that he had it on APP Controled.

 

also I incorrectly stated that DCS.EXE profiles dont work, the game runs under DCS.exe, but the Window Name Changes when it goes from the Main Menu to MP Menu and to the Game Renderer.

 

I am still having an ALT Tab issue, when I go back to DCS from Alt Tabbing, I Sit at a Black screen for 30-60 Seconds,

Waiting for the Renderer to restore, Didnt have this problem in 1.2.0,

 

if that isnt any indication of the slower renderer speed in 1.2.1 I dont know what is.

 

That's cool. Hopefully there'll be a 64-bit compatible version of RadeonPro soon and I'll be able to use that to copy most of GriffonBR's settings. Doesn't mean they'll necessarily work as well on AMD though.

[doveman]

Well I tried copying GriffonBR's settings in RadeonPro but it didn't really help me.

 

However, I seem to have eliminated the stutters :)

 

They seem to have been caused by HwInfo64, which is ironic as I was using that to monitor the CPU/GPU usage, etc whilst running DCSW to try and identify what might be causing the stuttering!

[DemonHunter]

This all helped me. Been having issues for 2 weeks. Even wiped my PC and started fresh to see what that would do. Looks like it was the ATI Catalyst the whole time. BIG THANKS!!!!!