P-51D, not boring....

[CoBlue]

Ok so I bought the P51 when It came out..& I've used it maybe 10 times since then. Mainly becouse of the flightdynamics I thought it would bee more stable like the A2A P51 in FSX...but this thing is just to hard to fly, to sensitive on the controls, stalls all the time, yaws like crazy when u try to shoot....not many multiplayers either.....I hope I can get the love back for it some day in DCS, but now I'm just disappointed:(

[G-Lock91]

Welcome to a realistic flight sim.. you can always change your options to "game" so its a bit easier.

[Exorcet]

Yes, there isn't enough Mustang online. I don't think the other problems are really problems though. You can tune your axis sensitivity. My pitch is set to 60% and roll to 40% (I think those are the settings). This makes it easy to maneuver without stalling or over G-ing. I can accurately shoot both air and ground targets. Maybe a bit more practice and playing controls will help.

[MegOhm_SD]

If you can't spend the time to acquire the skills..turn on the assists and go to game mode and .. then maybe you can easily fly your seemingly expected arcade mode....:music_whistling: You can't hamfist this plane...ya gotta draw long lines

 

Also still in Beta but what you describe is where most newbies are...

 

So as stated ....tune your stick..:joystick:. then get some seat time...don't be so quick to discount the Mustang... 10 times is not enough to base that kind of judgement on

 

We include the Mustang and all modules as an option in all our missions...and regularly put up an all out war server...

 

I find 5-6 degrees r rudder and a little nose down trim on takeoff works wonders... so you need to map rudder trim...Map reset too....so don't forget to reset it after T/O Rudder trim also helps on landing with wind...

 

I admit many servers are PW protected...But there are some that fly the P51 almost exclusively.... Look for the VTA server..formation flying and some combat missions..you can have some fun there...but at this point it doesnt sound like you would be able to keep up.... only one way to hone your skills in P51 Real....Seat Time!

 

Good Luck and stay with it...:pilotfly:

 

http://www.sdsquad.com/index.php

Edited September 19, 2012 by MegOhm_SD

[almonds]

still in beta...

[PDM]

actually after they fixed alot of the bugs this is a really great sim, i only wish they would give us AI aircraft to shoot down like a fw190, bf 109 or a ki 84. as far as learning to fly it don't do this in arcade mode, do a little research on how t fly it. spend a little time reading the manuals. if you need help just PM me. this aircraft is a high torque on take off and in flight you constantly have to be on the stick this is not flaming cliffs 2. it demands real flying.

[Yo-Yo]

Ok so I bought the P51 when It came out..& I've used it maybe 10 times since then. Mainly becouse of the flightdynamics I thought it would bee more stable like the A2A P51 in FSX...but this thing is just to hard to fly, to sensitive on the controls, stalls all the time, yaws like crazy when u try to shoot....not many multiplayers either.....I hope I can get the love back for it some day in DCS, but now I'm just disappointed:(

 

Don't give up. :) And forget the habits you got in other sims. There is only one thing that makes difference with RL and DCS Mustang and this thing is that the joystick has less travel than real stick. But I must say that if you do not pull it too quick and to hard it's very easy to fly perfect. Look at the buffet, stay at the edge all the time and you never stall or stall very mild. Do not bend input curves - you will have trained right joystick handle very soon and the bent input destroys right feeling of the plane.

"Yaws like crazy..." - I bet you have no pedals and use twist. I see only two ways that help - use pedals or be very careful pressing FIRE button. Or assign and use FIRE button on the throttle.

 

Feel free to use TO assistant. It's not a cheat. It's something artificial instead your acceleration sensors in RL.

As you move forward along the learning curve you can reduce its authority.

[Zimmerdylan]

Yeah...I'm kind of feeling like I just wasted $40. This thing is pretty user unfriendly.

You guys have no servers because this sim is not fun at all. Who want's to play against other people when you spend most of your time trying to deal with the terrible setup? DCS (as usual) has decided that the more garbage they try and pack into this thing....the more challenging it is, hence....fun I guess?

 

And no....it's not like really flying a P51. Not at all. You stall or lose control of the craft almost instantly.....constantly. I had a friend come over who actually refurbishes WWII aircraft. And of course...he flys them. He though this thing was just wrong...all the way around....just wrong. Meanwhile...the drone flying against you is doing 45 and 90% climbs all over the place and doesn't even lose air speed. You'd think they'd equal that out.

You cannot assign buttons in any usable fashion, the cockpit views and controls are just rediculous. People shelf this thing within a few flight hours...I'm sure of that......and, I'll be following their lead. Wow.......

 

Oh...and the tutorials....really? I mean really? C'mon.

 

$40 dollars and 4 hours I'll never get back.

[Slap_Chop]

People shelf this thing within a few flight hours...I'm sure of that......and, I'll be following their lead. Wow.......

 

 

Oh...and the tutorials....really? I mean really? C'mon.

 

$40 dollars and 4 hours I'll never get back.

 

 

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya :thumbup:

 

 

This is a great sim and will only get better.

 

 

Amazing what these programmers have done.

 

 

Anyway a New Call of Duty should be out soon. :smilewink:

[VH-Rock]

Mainly becouse of the flightdynamics I thought it would bee more stable like the A2A P51 in FSX...but this thing is just to hard to fly, to sensitive on the controls, stalls all the time, yaws like crazy when u try to shoot

 

And no....it's not like really flying a P51. Not at all. You stall or lose control of the craft almost instantly.....constantly.

 

 

 

Too sensitive? Stalls all the time? We've never had any issues. That video was made after 1 week with the aircraft (about 4 or 5 1 hour flights over that week). As with any aircraft, treat her right and she'll be your best friend. Treat her wrong and she'll kill you.

[Nirvi]

I simply love the Mustang :thumbup:

I hosted a dogfight server nearly every day and we had some great fun.

We even had a 4vs4 dogfight yesterday, so there are people flying online, and I have the feeling there will be a lot more in the future :D

[Weta43]

This thing is pretty user unfriendly.

It's not unfriendly, just a little bit difficult. If you can't deal with things that actually require persistance to master, then you're probably right - it's not for you. If you can - stick at it...

 

If you have a little bit of stickability, it's not so hard once you get the hang of it, all the more rewarding because it's not dead easy, and a lot of fun to fly.

 

He though this thing was just wrong...all the way around....just wrong.

... and yet E.D. has access to the real thing, and their S.M.E.s think it correct, and the (sizeable number of) actual pilots on the forum generally praise (highly) it's flight dynamics, including some of the testers who fly acrobatics IRL.

 

4 hours I'll never get back.

If after 4 hours you're still finding it impossible to fly (& your friend found it "so wrong"), you could try posting a description of your setup and a track showing your problems & asking for advice - it may be there's something wrong with your setup - or your technique.

[cichlidfan]

Four hours is not a lot of time, especially if you had not done any reading on the forum to give you an idea what to expect. Also, if you found the control setup difficult then it is quite likely that they are not setup to your best advantage either (which sincerely complicates matters).

 

Those same control issues would give anyone, your pilot friend included, a bad first impression.

 

As others have said, if you give it a chance, it is quite rewarding to fly.

[msalama]

it's not like really flying a P51. Not at all.

 

Yeah? So you're an experienced RL Stang pilot then?

[MadDog-IC]

 

Too sensitive? Stalls all the time? We've never had any issues. That video was made after 1 week with the aircraft (about 4 or 5 1 hour flights over that week). As with any aircraft, treat her right and she'll be your best friend. Treat her wrong and she'll kill you.

 

Hell I was impressed by that video, well presented, and some nice formation flying, beautiful.

 

I still love the sound of those motors.

 

I have Black shark 2 and a10 and would love to fly the p51 but past game (Wings of Prey) have ruined the experience for me, I was/ am to noob probably or the game / sim didn't simulate the flight model well and I have had the same complaints as others with it being to touchy to fly (spend more time doing stall / spin recovery that dogfighting).

 

I just wonder if they have implemented it well in DCS version. Wish I could get a demo version of DCS P51D to try before buy.

 

In BS2 I am still trying not to shear rotor blades all the time (tens of hours of casual flying around, haven't played all campaigns etc yet ), and A10 I haven't tackled as yet.

 

I love WW2 aircraft and Helos more that modem jet stuff.

 

Anyhow thanks for the video, really enjoyed it, and makes me want to buy the p51 module now for DCS World.:pilotfly:

 

Cheers Ian.

[Echo38]

Don't feed the trolls!

[aaron886]

And no....it's not like really flying a P51. Not at all. You stall or lose control of the craft almost instantly.....constantly.

 

:lol:

 

Sure, mang.

[VH-Rock]

Hell I was impressed by that video, well presented, and some nice formation flying, beautiful.

 

I still love the sound of those motors.

 

I have Black shark 2 and a10 and would love to fly the p51 but past game (Wings of Prey) have ruined the experience for me, I was/ am to noob probably or the game / sim didn't simulate the flight model well and I have had the same complaints as others with it being to touchy to fly (spend more time doing stall / spin recovery that dogfighting).

 

I just wonder if they have implemented it well in DCS version. Wish I could get a demo version of DCS P51D to try before buy.

 

In BS2 I am still trying not to shear rotor blades all the time (tens of hours of casual flying around, haven't played all campaigns etc yet ), and A10 I haven't tackled as yet.

 

I love WW2 aircraft and Helos more that modem jet stuff.

 

Anyhow thanks for the video, really enjoyed it, and makes me want to buy the p51 module now for DCS World.:pilotfly:

 

Cheers Ian.

 

Thank you, Ian.

 

We really do appreciate the support. If you do decide to buy the P-51 module, shoot us a PM and we'll be happy to give you a helping hand to get you started. We often host public servers to allow people of all levels to get a taste of formation flying. Infact, our current right wing pilot, started off joining our public servers with no formation flying experience at all and, a few years later, he is now a member of the VH team and a very solid right wing pilot :) All it takes is dedication and the passion to do it right. And, to bring it back to the original topic, that doesn't mean giving up after 4 hours...

 

I think many people here are forgetting that Mustang pilots spent hours flying the Stearman, getting used to taildraggers in a low powered aircraft, before moving onto the the texan (Still substantially less powerful than the Mustang) and only after having several hours flying these 2 aircraft, moved onto the Mustang, with all it's power. Many people flying this sim will have no experience flying taildraggers in previous sims, no real life experience in tail draggers and no training aircraft in this sim to build them up to flying the Mustang in DCS. It is bound to be difficult when you think of it like that...

 

Flying the Mustang in DCS is difficult at first, but if you're willing to put the effort into it, you will reap the rewards. We have flown countless hours flying formation aerobatics in DCS using the P-51. We have never flown, and probably never will fly, a perfect display. You set a goal, try to achieve it, watch you improvement over time and chase perfection. Perfection is something that probably only happens for a couple of seconds at a time... One small part of a loop or a roll where everything falls into place, everybody is in position and moving together as one aircraft. That is what we chase when flying formation, but that same passion and persistence towards perfection can be used in any aspect of virtual flying... When you achieve it, if only for a few seconds, it's worth it. One thing is for sure, you will never fly a flight and be able to say that you couldn't have done anything better.

 

Seriously, stick with it, find somebody to help you and chase that goal. You'll love it if you do! If you're just going to give up on it, there's nothing any of us can do and I'm sure everybody here will wish you the best.

 

Rock.

Edited August 24, 2013 by SkateZilla

[Double_D]

Thank you, Ian.

 

We really do appreciate the support. If you do decide to buy the P-51 module, shoot us a PM and we'll be happy to give you a helping hand to get you started. We often host public servers to allow people of all levels to get a taste of formation flying. Infact, our current right wing pilot, Fadec, started off joining our public servers with no formation flying experience at all and, a few years later, he is now a member of the VH team and a very solid right wing pilot :) All it takes is dedication and the passion to do it right. And, to bring it back to the original topic, that doesn't mean giving up after 4 hours...

 

I think many people here are forgetting that Mustang pilots spent hours flying the Stearman, getting used to taildraggers in a low powered aircraft, before moving onto the the texan (Still substantially less powerful than the Mustang) and only after having several hours flying these 2 aircraft, moved onto the Mustang, with all it's power. Many people flying this sim will have no experience flying taildraggers in previous sims, no real life experience in tail draggers and no training aircraft in this sim to build them up to flying the Mustang in DCS. It is bound to be difficult when you think of it like that...

 

Flying the Mustang in DCS is difficult at first, but if you're willing to put the effort into it, you will reap the rewards. We have flown countless hours flying formation aerobatics in DCS using the P-51. We have never flown, and probably never will fly, a perfect display. You set a goal, try to achieve it, watch you improvement over time and chase perfection. Perfection is something that probably only happens for a couple of seconds at a time... One small part of a loop or a roll where everything falls into place, everybody is in position and moving together as one aircraft. That is what we chase when flying formation, but that same passion and persistence towards perfection can be used in any aspect of virtual flying... When you achieve it, if only for a few seconds, it's worth it. One thing is for sure, you will never fly a flight and be able to say that you couldn't have done anything better.

 

Seriously, stick with it, find somebody to help you and chase that goal. You'll love it if you do! If you're just going to give up on it, there's nothing any of us can do and I'm sure everybody here will wish you the best.

 

Rock.

 

I can't add to what Rock has said...:thumbup:

 

Virtual Tuskegee Airmen server is usually up on a daily basis..come join us and have some fun..while learning this Cadillac of the Skies..

 

PS...Just remember also this is a Flight Sim...so unless you are a real P-51D Mustang Pilot or a Pilot in general..hard to tell what is right feel or not..but I think this could be very close..but the real pilots can tell you for sure...

Edited May 28, 2013 by Double_D

[Exorcet]

Yeah...I'm kind of feeling like I just wasted $40. This thing is pretty user unfriendly.

You guys have no servers because this sim is not fun at all. Who want's to play against other people when you spend most of your time trying to deal with the terrible setup? DCS (as usual) has decided that the more garbage they try and pack into this thing....the more challenging it is, hence....fun I guess?

 

And no....it's not like really flying a P51. Not at all. You stall or lose control of the craft almost instantly.....constantly. I had a friend come over who actually refurbishes WWII aircraft. And of course...he flys them. He though this thing was just wrong...all the way around....just wrong. Meanwhile...the drone flying against you is doing 45 and 90% climbs all over the place and doesn't even lose air speed. You'd think they'd equal that out.

You cannot assign buttons in any usable fashion, the cockpit views and controls are just rediculous. People shelf this thing within a few flight hours...I'm sure of that......and, I'll be following their lead. Wow.......

 

Oh...and the tutorials....really? I mean really? C'mon.

 

$40 dollars and 4 hours I'll never get back.

 

I'll suggest again, set your axis saturation to less than 100 (this is not the curves that Yo-Yo spoke off). The Mustang is easy to fly. It's fast and agile, but it's also a piece of 1940's technology with a big twist producing motor, no fly by wire, and no high AoA devices. You have to treat it as such.

 

I was able to fly it with a keyboard, not as well as with a stick, put I could still get it to do what I wanted. With a flight stick, I'm able to keep up with the AI. Here's a hint, the AI chickens out easily near the ground when you dive.

 

Your friend fixes old planes, but does he have significant seat time, a pilot license or a degree in aerospace? I have the latter and the P-51 seems fine to me.

[Agg]

I actually found the Mustang quite easy to fly, are you sure your controllers are set up correctly?

 

Once you get a hang on how to take off in the Mustang and get her in the air she is quite well-behaved. Of course if you have no experience with flight sims, or something as realistic as the DCS-series there is going to be a learning curve.

[Darkwolf]

Mustang in the air not that hard to fly - ground taxiing is a bit hard the first few days.

 

Regarding MP - its not stable at all - we played LAN over a week at home with a bunch of friends - We were two with the P51 module and any time we tried to fly, the server crashed after a few minutes. I'm sure ED will fix that :)

[Pyroflash]

I think people's main problem is that they expect the P-51 to fly like a jet (cripes, really you would be flying something like the P-51 as a jet trainer), so they sit down, fly for 30 minutes, and then say that it flies wrong. Well, newsflash, I wasn't very good at flying when I first sat in a real aircraft for the first time. In fact, with ~200 hours now, I'm ~good~, but not anywhere near really good, and there are CONSTANTLY more things to learn about systems, aerodynamics, everything.

 

Most great warriors who have written books on strategy (Miyamoto Musashi, etc.) have said that they didn't even realize what being a perfect warrior even MEANT until they'd been training for 40+ years. And as a fellow craftsman, I agree. I will probably be old and gray before I finally realize what it truly ~means~ to be a really good pilot.

 

People that give up though? And then say that something is wrong, or that it is too hard? It is so typical, it is almost laughable.

 

I'll tell you what, when you take the time to sit down for a couple of hundred hours and learn an aircraft, really learn it, down the the systems, wing design, flaws, quirks, advantages, tactics, procedures, etc. THEN I will give you the time of day to listen to what you have to say. Though I would hanker a guess that the criticisms will be a lot more mild by then.

Edited September 19, 2012 by Pyroflash

[VH-Rock]

I'll tell you what, when you take the time to sit down for a couple of hundred hours and learn an aircraft, really learn it, down the the systems, wing design, flaws, quirks, advantages, tactics, procedures, etc. THEN I will give you the time of day to listen to what you have to say. Though I would hanker a guess that the criticisms will be a lot more mild by then.

 

:thumbup: Spot on, Pyroflash!

 

Any one who was at this years Flying Legends event watching the Mustang tail chase on the Saturday will have seen 'Miss Velma's near stall at the top of a wing over. It was a none event really because the pilot knew how to handle the situation, but that's exactly the point. He'd been flying the aircraft for years and it still caught him out a little. If you know the flight manual, learn how to treat her right and maximise it's potential you will love flying this aircraft :) The ED guys have spent a fantastic amount of effort getting it right and, in my book atleast, they've pulled if off. Sure, there's a few bugs here and there that are being eradicated, but as with any beta, they are to be expected.

Edited September 19, 2012 by VH-Rock

[Echo38]

Any one who was at this years Flying Legends event watching the Mustang tail chase on the Saturday will have seen 'Miss Velma's near stall at the top of a wing over. It was a none event really because the pilot knew how to handle the situation, but that's exactly the point. He'd been flying the aircraft for years and it still caught him out a little.

 

I didn't catch that one, but I saw a video of the same thing happening to Mikael Carlson in his super-accurate-replica Fokker Dr.I. Unexpected stall/incipient spin at the top of a roll, followed by a quick skillful recovery.

(The roll starts at about 0:44 seconds.)

 

Hey, got a link to a video of the Mustang incident in question?

Edited September 19, 2012 by Echo38