manpad avoidance

[Shein]

only recently have i come to appreciate the hog; i was always a staunch believer that the attack helicopter is all the battlefield needs, i thought it did everything a cas aircraft could do and more... but thats another debate for another time ;)

 

while flying around the other day, at a what i thought was safe altitude of 12,000 feet i suddenly lost both engines and all electronics. i realized i had been struck by a missile, but i was puzzled as to what because i had no mws warning or radar warning, and i thought i was too high for manpads.

reviewing the after mission debreif, it was a manpad! i thought their max altitude was far lower than 12k... but my real question is this:

how do you find and avoid ir missiles in the hog? just get lucky?

[pered]

Flare and make the missile's life impossible with smooth, sharp turns.

[Revelation]

only recently have i come to appreciate the hog; i was always a staunch believer that the attack helicopter is all the battlefield needs, i thought it did everything a cas aircraft could do and more... but thats another debate for another time ;)

 

while flying around the other day, at a what i thought was safe altitude of 12,000 feet i suddenly lost both engines and all electronics. i realized i had been struck by a missile, but i was puzzled as to what because i had no mws warning or radar warning, and i thought i was too high for manpads.

reviewing the after mission debreif, it was a manpad! i thought their max altitude was far lower than 12k... but my real question is this:

how do you find and avoid ir missiles in the hog? just get lucky?

 

Where you at 12k ft MSL or AGL? Yes their range is lower than 12K, but if the manpad was at a ground elevation of 9K.... Well that could explain it.

[159th_Falcon]

Beware of the Igla, one of the most lethal missiles in the simulation.

[MTFDarkEagle]

DUMP flares and manouvre sharp but smoothly, get it on the 3-9 line. Bleed the missiles energy.

[Shein]

Well the issue was detection... I didn't even know I was shot at!

as for the altitude, it was whatever the alt scale is on the HUD. To be honest, I dont know if it was AGL or MSL, but the mission was near the cost so I'd imagine the difference is negligible. I should have kept the track to watch, and see what happened exactly.

[Darkwolf]

I don't know the max range used by IA in the sim.

 

I fly mostly the hog between 12-15000ft and don't have issue with Manpan. you can surely find that range in the encyclopedia of the game. I think that you were really at the limit, you may just have ended right above the mapad which allowed him to launch at his limit.

 

Try flying 15k.ft

[Timmay]

That's what a wingman is for. No seriously, you cannot avoid all threats on a battlefield.

 

It's situational awareness that keeps you airborne and alive.

 

But without a wingie, it's a tough task to handle.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[159th_Viper]

 

while flying around the other day, at a what i thought was safe altitude of 12,000 feet

 

That is well within MANPAD range.

[Euan3251]

Name: Igla SA-18

Type: Low-Altitude SAM System

Overall dimensions: 1.1x0.4x0.2 m

Launcher tube length: 1.876 m

Warhead weight: 3.5 kg

Weight (in firing position): 19.5 kg

Fuze type: impact/proximity

Max target engagement speed:

- approaching: 340 m/s

- receding: 290 m/s

Min effective target altitude: 10 m

Max effective target altitude: 3000 m

 

3000 metres = 9 842.51969 feet

[159th_Viper]

Who said that you are dealing with a SA-18?

 

Edit: To clarify, you are dealing with the Igla-S in-SIM and not the Igla.

Edited October 4, 2012 by 159th_Viper

[Azraeil]

To avoid igla just do a barrel roll like so.

 

 

;)

[GorT]

Who said that you are dealing with a SA-18?

 

Edit: To clarify, you are dealing with the Igla-S in-SIM and not the Igla.

 

How do you know he was dealing with the Igla-S? He was not sure of what hit him himself.

Is that the only manpad that could of reached him up there without warning? ( Not trolling here BTW, just want to know because if thats the case I really need to fly higher ;) )

[159th_Viper]

How do you know he was dealing with the Igla-S? He was not sure of what hit him himself.

 

He said it was a MANPAD as per the debrief screen. I'm assuming that it was not a Stinger-man, which leaves the Igla-S.

 

That said, one should never assume, but with the OP flying an A-10 the Igla-S is a reasonably safe assumption. Yes, the debrief might say Igla (typo/incorrect designation) - rest assured however that it is the S-version that those wee buggers are sending up to greet you.

Edited October 4, 2012 by 159th_Viper
Typo

[Shein]

the debreif said 'sa-8 igla manpads' specfically...

[159th_Viper]

the debreif said 'sa-8 igla manpads' specfically...

 

Yes, the debrief might say Igla (typo/incorrect designation) - rest assured however that it is the S-version that those wee buggers are sending up to greet you.

[Ironhand]

Yes, the debrief might say Igla (typo/incorrect designation) - rest assured however that it is the S-version that those wee buggers are sending up to greet you.

:) Then something other than the 9M39 missile should be used in the sim as that's not the missile the Igla-S uses.

 

OTOH, I haven't had one of these launched at me yet, when I've actually been 12K feet above it either. Or even 10K feet that I know of. Perhaps I just haven't been around them enough yet.

 

 

Rich

Edited October 5, 2012 by Ironhand

[159th_Viper]

:) Then something other than the 9M39 missile should be used in the sim as that's not the missile the Igla-S uses.

 

9M39 is not used in the SIM :)

 

As said, it appears to be an error in the descriptions. Here's the missile that the erstwhile Igla utilizes (9M39):

 

 

On the other hand, here is the 9M342 of the Igla-S:

 

 

And here is the missile In-SIM:

 

[Ironhand]

9M39 is not used in the SIM :)

 

As said, it appears to be an error in the descriptions. Here's the missile that the erstwhile Igla utilizes (9M39):

 

 

On the other hand, here is the 9M342 of the Igla-S:

 

 

And here is the missile In-SIM:

 

Now that's very curious because the 9M39 is in the Encyclopedia and also the label given to the missile that was flying up to meet me early this morning. And the 9M342, which was what I was expecting to see, was not in the Encyclopedia and not the label of the missile that wanted to reach out and touch me. But, to be honest, I don't remember which missile the darned thing looked like. I'll need to doublecheck this evening. Perhaps these old eyes were too blurry to see things so shortly after starting the day. :)

 

OTOH, it did behave more like a 9M39 than anything else.

 

EDIT: Well, as you noted, the picture in the Encyclopedia and the graphics what reached out and tried to touch me is the 9M342.

 

Rich

Edited October 5, 2012 by Ironhand