Rogue System -- Space Sim

[Michael Juliano]

Take care not to pollute too much the EFD.

 

Indeed. That's the same issue they face in real aircraft--the balance of too much and too little info. For SURE, the EFD and other displays need a proper design cycle...

 

Cheers :)

[Michael Juliano]

Pledged up, need more people!

 

Thanks for the continued support! :)

[Yurgon]

Pledged up, need more people!

 

I've been talking to a few people, but most just aren't interested in PC based space flight sims at all. One guy was really interested and was already aware of Rogue System but said he'd already backed KS projects with a combined 150 Euros (including a pledge to Star Citizen), so he was reluctant to spend more money right now. Well, I'll keep trying to spread the word. :)

[PoleCat]

I do like the old space games like X-Wing vs Tie Fighter etc. One thing I really dislike with the newer space sims is the Newtonian physics designs.

 

I am quite certain realistic flight modeling for space sims is much more accurate. It just also happens to be a lot less fun IMHO. This has turned me off from several space fighter games since the old days of Star lancer and the Star wars games. I like that type of unrealistic flight model much better for space fighter games. For this reason I am on the fence about this sim. I love every other aspect of it but that.

 

Out

[Yurgon]

I do like the old space games like X-Wing vs Tie Fighter etc. One thing I really dislike with the newer space sims is the Newtonian physics designs.

 

TBH, I don't think I've actually ever flown a space flight sim with Netownian physics and enjoyed it. Yet. :)

 

I'd say X-Wing, Wing Commander and the like are to be blamed for presenting a simplistic or atmospheric flight model that simply doesn't make any kind of sense in space flight/space combat.

 

OTOH, Newtonian physics have their own set of problems, and I agree this could turn out to kill all the fun, so I'd say concessions will have to be made (like limiting the maximum speed to a ridiculously low value) to prevent combat from going "There's something on my sensor... lock... fire... out of range, and I can't even tell whether or not I hit it".

 

But I think this approach with Newtonian physics, if done right, will offer a new level of realistic-ish space combat that can be entertaining as well as educating. And we may all have to develop an entirely new skill-set. :)

[Michael Juliano]

On this subject, again keep in mind the ship systems that help to "counter" newtonian flight, thus providing a more atmospheric-like feel to flight. I go a step further with one of these systems, the FIS (Friction Induction System) that allows for variable levels of feel--you can tweak it to what feels good to you.

 

The only times you NEED newtonian flight are take off and landing (to stay properly oriented with a moving target), and while trying to achieve "breakthrough" momentum to use the "Dark Drive" (which is the system used to travel from one planet to another within the local system...

 

@Polecat: I don't know if this info will help you decide one way or the other, but this is what I'm planning (and already have working) for RogSys :)

 

Cheers...

[Michael Juliano]

A new podcast up over at spacegamejunkie.com covering RogSys--well worth a listen: http://www.spacegamejunkie.com/podcasts/sgj-podcast-03-rogue-system-qa-michael-juliano/

[Pyroflash]

Hmm, I don't know if this has been considered yet, but I see that in the video you are using what appears to be projectile weapons. Are the impacts/damage of these weapons dependent on the force imparted by them? i.e. if a ship is going at .3 c and shoots a bullet, will it be able to kill a ship outright (assuming that the target is at rest)?

 

Also are missiles being considered as a way to deal with newtonian space combat at longer ranges?

 

I don't want to turn this into a gameplay discussion thread, but I really would like to know just how much the whole newtonian physics thing is going to impact gameplay.

Edited March 8, 2013 by Pyroflash

[Michael Juliano]

There are short range primary weapons (such as the place-holder plasma repeaters you see in the vids), medium to long range missiles and kinetic weapons, and longer range beam weapons. Most weapons have an operational envelop that you must stay in in order to be employed properly. The systems that provide atmospheric-like flight during combat assist in keeping you within this proper envelop.

 

Weapons not only have a destructive force (blast damage from a missile, say), but in some cases their "speed" in relation to the target (such as kinetic-based weapons), as well as range traveled to the target are taken into account. For example, a plasma burst looses destructive force as it looses form over time (hence the short-range nature of them), whereas a beam weapon maintains its shape over greater distance and therefor retains its destructive potential longer.

 

Now, obviously the restrictions to weapon employment are science-fiction of course, and are really for the sake of gameplay. I want to keep combat tight and localized once the merge happens.

 

All celestial elements impart gravity (suns, planets, moons, etc) and are themselves in motion, and so everything is always in motion. There is no way to "stop" (unless you're speaking relatively in relation to another object). So, the only way to achieve orbits, or stay properly aligned with another ship in order to dock (or during take-off) is to use a Newtonian-based system. The systems to provide atmospheric-feel are then used to "counter" that when needed (mainly during combat).

[PoleCat]

Michael,

 

Thank you for your responses. I can't afford much but I will make a donation to your project on kickstarter.com. I watched the video posted here

 

I was very impressed with Rogue System and your vision for it, as well as your personal story. Well done. You should be very proud.

 

I am going to post a link to your kickstarter page over at the 104th Phoenix website forums and ask members of our DCS squadron to pitch in.

 

Best of luck and keep the faith!

 

~Paul

[Michael Juliano]

Michael,

 

Thank you for your responses. I can't afford much but I will make a donation to your project on kickstarter.com. I watched the video posted here

 

I was very impressed with Rogue System and your vision for it, as well as your personal story. Well done. You should be very proud.

 

I am going to post a link to your kickstarter page over at the 104th Phoenix website forums and ask members of our DCS squadron to pitch in.

 

Best of luck and keep the faith!

 

~Paul

 

Thanks SO much for your support, truly. If any of your members over there have any questions let me know--I'll be happy to answer them.

 

Cheers...

[jimcarrel]

EFD clutter? Why not develop it like a Garmin gps unit.

 

Different pages for different flight regimens. You have main pages with subpages.

such as ship systems, you already have that, just make another EFD "page" with sub-pages pertaining to graphical layouts for docking, slingshot around planets, asteroids, you could do this for about anything.

 

I know I didn't do justice with explanations, but I'm sure you get what I meant.

No need for clutter when you could merely pull up the particular "page" with the info you wanted.

[Michael Juliano]

EFD clutter? Why not develop it like a Garmin gps unit.

 

Different pages for different flight regimens. You have main pages with subpages.

such as ship systems, you already have that, just make another EFD "page" with sub-pages pertaining to graphical layouts for docking, slingshot around planets, asteroids, you could do this for about anything.

 

I know I didn't do justice with explanations, but I'm sure you get what I meant.

No need for clutter when you could merely pull up the particular "page" with the info you wanted.

 

Yes. This is the idea of the EFD--to have multiple pages so that it DOESN'T get cluttered. This is part of the reason that I get all the core systems finalized--so a proper design can be accomplished for the EFD to get all this info sorted out.

[Succellus]

Nice!

[Michael Juliano]

A new video is up--this time showing some celestial elements of the dynamic galaxy. Interesting to note, around the 1:20 mark, if you look at the dark side of the planet, you can see city lights, as well as lightning flashes. Please check the description for more info.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzaAheV4lFc

[159th_Viper]

Pledged.

 

Forgive the question, but if kickstarter funding does not succeed will the project still continue? If so, how will the projected release dates be influenced?

[Michael Juliano]

Pledged.

 

Forgive the question, but if kickstarter funding does not succeed will the project still continue? If so, how will the projected release dates be influenced?

 

First, thanks for your support :)

 

Funded or not, it WILL continue. I've invested far too much in Rogue System, in terms of time, money, and any other form of investment you could think of, to just let it die.

 

Without KS funding I won't be able to go to full time on it immediately as I want, so it will slow it down a bit. I am considering some other forms of funding, such as a minecraft-like model, as well as a couple others.

 

But no, under no circumstance will RogSys go away now. If nothing else, KS has gotten the word out about it and has helped to firmly plant it in the genre. That alone makes the KS a success as it will be beneficial in the long term...

 

Thanks again...

[159th_Viper]

Outstanding - Ta for the clarification :)

[Michael Juliano]

One final video in this series--this one cover landing and basic ship shutdown :)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKREQnKvps

 

Thanks for all the great discussions and comments here about RogSys, and thanks to ED for having this "Other sim news" forum.

[ishtmail]

Michael, I've contributed to Kickstarter project, and I will gladly contribute directly, if Kickstarter doesn't pan out. And I'm spreading word (in my own limited capacity).

As a long time space sim pilot (X wing, Tie Fighter, Wing Commander series, Descent series) and at the same time a fan of hardcore sims (such as DCS) I am truly looking forward to this one.

 

Best of luck to you, and do keep us updated.

Edited March 17, 2013 by ishtmail

[Splat]

[...] Funded or not, it WILL continue. I've invested far too much in Rogue System, in terms of time, money, and any other form of investment you could think of, to just let it die. [...]

 

Very glad to hear this. Kickstarted or not, I look forward to supporting this project (again) and, more importantly, eventually flying with the final product! Best wishes; we need more space sims! :joystick:

[Ali Fish]

3 days to go. well thats a shame but the reality. i think upon each attempt you can probally increase those numbers two fold. folks have to see the whole thing in action with some finalised artwork imo.

 

what about a simple subgame, to enhance the IP. and generate some dev cash. sword of the stars devs recently took what i see as a step back from there incredibly flawed creations to create a simple roguelike game in their universe and IP and well its quite enjoyable and makes a lot of sense and is probally bringing in more cash than there 2 main games lol.

 

also in similar vain., the game killorbit is being created to generate funds for Mechlore. so this idea isnt anything new and it is very very plausable.

 

so in this vain, and given your title rogue system, having a rouglelike game using the IP could be an avenue to go down. you already have some FPS concepts within your title that could easily be adapted to some simpler game mechanics that would sell. and well im loving the whole roguelike scene at the moment so thats why my idea exists as it does. Theres a quite a following for these cheap, Niche and incredibly playable projects. presently iam trying to envisage my idea of a roguelike game through my artwork ideas.... its presently like FTL v Aliens v Darkwood lol.

Edited March 18, 2013 by Ali Fish

[Ali Fish]

no days to go. :( but not the end. :) May a great future for Rogue System lie ahead. there will be obstacles im sure, may Mr juliano`s sim have a bright ending to the journey that is Rogue System development. Good Luck with it m8 and holla for any artistic help !

 

Edited March 22, 2013 by Ali Fish

[Michael Juliano]

No, not the end by any means. If you haven't yet, please see the last Kickstarter update for future plans. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1298800608/rogue-system/posts/434048

 

We just have a slightly longer road ahead now :) Thanks for all the support, everyone...

[Ali Fish]

hey! Michael/Scott i hope your going to still update us here please.....