China conducts flight landing on aircraft carrier

[lobo]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=55a_1353810189

[Steel Jaw]

Oh excellent, it's about time the Good Guys got into Naval Aviation too...

[Mike Busutil]

Almost 100 years late...

[Weta43]

Almost 100 years late...

Let's see where they stand 20 years from now...

[wilky510]

Oh excellent, it's about time the Good Guys got into Naval Aviation too...

Good guys? Lol, the USA was considered 'good' once. Wait until they try and influence some near by neighbors in the near future. That'll be fun to see.

 

 

Let's see where they stand 20 years from now...

If you meant as in stronger.. I don't see how. This carrier wasn't even really built from the ground up by them. It takes a long time to also build carriers. To compete with the US they would have to build them twice as fast. And they're already 10 behind at the moment.

 

 

Bit curious to see how Japan feels about this whole situation.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Is that a Su-33 or is it a Chinese copy of it?

[dumgrunt]

j-15, chinese copy of the naval flanker. how good are the crash dummy signs all over it?

 

from memory they acquired that carrier from Ukraine in the early nineties, to use as a "casino" that its 20 years later that they have actually landed an aircraft on it speaks volumes.

[Weta43]

If you meant as in stronger.. I don't see how. This carrier wasn't even really built from the ground up by them. It takes a long time to also build carriers. To compete with the US they would have to build them twice as fast. And they're already 10 behind at the moment.

 

True, but as I've said before, 10 years ago they were 20 years behind western technology, 5 years ago they were 10 years behind, they're close to catching up now, and soon...

& Their economy is growing, while the West ...

[Weta43]

j-15, chinese copy of the naval flanker. how good are the crash dummy signs all over it?

 

from memory they acquired that carrier from Ukraine in the early nineties, to use as a "casino" that its 20 years later that they have actually landed an aircraft on it speaks volumes.

 

You keep telling yourself that :)

[Kenan]

Guys, you are all missing the historical context and how important this event is:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now we can make chinese SU33 skins for FC3. :D

[EtherealN]

from memory they acquired that carrier from Ukraine in the early nineties, to use as a "casino" that its 20 years later that they have actually landed an aircraft on it speaks volumes.

 

What it says is that they saw an opportunity to get some cheap hardware, took it, and have then been studying it with the explicit goal of making their own carriers.

 

They haven't struggled 20 years to get the decomissioned wreck they purchased into operational condition. They've spent 20 years using it as a test-bed towards securing themselves their own production capabilities.

 

If you want a comparison, let's consider the Gerald R. Ford class (I actually have a friend working on that one, so the chinese don't have to worry about it), construction began in 2007. Wiki claims it'll be finished in 2015. (No time to dig for sources there, sorry.) This means we're looking at the americans spending 8 years simply on building the thing, nevermind conducting trials. And that's a country that have built and operated carriers for 100 years...

 

At the same time, China has never operated carriers, ever, and are now testing an operational battlesta... carrier. And they're poised to build more. For 20 years that's pretty darned good.

[Cali]

Building and testing carriers, jets, tanks and copters all take time. It's not design it build it, test for a short time then make them operational all with 5 years........make make longer. There is nothing wrong with using (copying) other designs, that just means someone else did some of the hard work. When will they have one built from scratch.....who knows.

[Vekkinho]

^^^^

But they're catching up like crazy, that's 552nd J-15 they've built so far...

[Alfa]

from memory they acquired that carrier from Ukraine in the early nineties to use as a "casino" that its 20 years later that they have actually landed an aircraft on it speaks volumes

 

Bad memory then - they acquired it in the late nineties and only got it to China in 2001 or 2002.....so its been 10 years and not 20 :) . When you consider that what they got was an empty rusty hulk, I think its quite impressive what they have managed to achieve with it in that time.

 

But while it may be a major landmark for the Chinese navy to induct an aircraft carrier, I agree that calling it a break-through in Chinese naval development is a bit a stretch -i.e buying someone else's carrier design and reverse engineering the aircraft to fly from it.

[tflash]

I must say I'm impressed, the Liaoning only remotely reminds the original Varyag, and the J-15 is the upgraded, multirole Su-33 that we all would like to have in Lockon. I guess there is more to come.

[Steel Jaw]

Hmmm, nobody caught my sarcasm...

[aaron886]

...and you're surprised, Mower? :D

[marcos]

Oh excellent, it's about time the Good Guys got into Naval Aviation too...

When you look at it in that respect, there's only one reason somebody needs naval airpower, and it isn't defence.

[EtherealN]

Well, it is an effective deterrent as well.

 

Think of it like with nuclear missiles; in construction they are an offensive weapon (with a few exceptions like the nuclear-tipped A2A rockets meant to take down bombers etcetera), but their role in the strategic sense it ensure that no-one will start a fight with you in the first place. "Ensure peace through preparing for war" etcetera.

 

In the case of China, having a carrier capability does, like their nuke subs, offer an intercontinental force projection capability. This means that other countries would, before starting a fight, need to consider that they might get hit back, at home. It's a lot easier to start a war if you feel certain that the enemy can't hurt you.

[Pyroflash]

I'm also curious to see what kind of modifier this actually adds to their current deployments. Much like with the Kuznecow, having a carrier is nice, but having only one means that you cannot deploy in more than one place at once. And if your carrier goes down for any reason, your deployment schedules are pretty much buggered until you can get it up again. Much like what happened to good ol' Charlie in France. Although the French have a completely indigenous, newer, and significantly larger platform to work with.

[Alfa]

Although the French have a completely indigenous, newer, and significantly larger platform to work with.

 

.....you don't think the CdG is larger than the ex-varyag do you? :D .

Edited November 27, 2012 by Alfa

[Pyroflash]

.....you don't think the CdG is larger than the ex-varyag do you? :D .

 

No, but it is straighter, which makes it better :P

[Namenlos Ein]

 

http://www.china.org.cn/chinese/2012-11/27/content_27234086.htm

 

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-11/26/content_27225115.htm

Luo Yang, the man in charge of research and development on the J-15 carrier-based fighter jet, died of a heart attack Sunday morning, according to cctv.com.

 

Luo was the president and general manager of Shenyang Aircraft Corp, a subsidiary of the Aviation Industry Corp. of China.

 

Luo died just on the day when the J-15 completed a successful landing on China’s first aircraft carrier, Liaoning.

[Alfa]

No, but it is straighter, which makes it better :P

 

Well thats a matter of opinion - its also much shorter(some 247m vs. 300 m ) :)

 

Anyway, the ex-Varyag is considerable larger ship than the CdG - some 67.000 tons full load vs. some 42.000 respectively.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

No, but it is straighter, which makes it better :P

:) And it uses steam catapult, which makes it worst ...