Learned how to use MAVs!!!

[LexiconG2]

I have had A10C for about a year now. I have learned how to fly and use dumb bombs, gun and I have just now learned how to use mavericks. I wanted to ask how do I use the pickle? for unguided bombs? After I learn this I just need to know how to use navigation systems auto pilot and finally how to use guided bombs. After this I should be able to use all the A-10C weapon systems. I am really looking forward to a new engine? and some high fidelity aircraft. I truly enjoy A-10C thanks for making it.

Edited March 4, 2013 by LexiconG2

[PatriotCFS]

Yep! I just learned how to today also, had the game since the 1st beta because I could never figure out have the Mav.

Spent 20 minutes on TS with someone and I was pickeling them off at anything that moved!

Edited March 4, 2013 by Patriot*CFS*
totally miss read the post, my bad

[Rusty_M]

I know I can't use them without the TGP

[PatriotCFS]

Yes, from what I understand you can slave the Mav to the TGP (correct me if Im wrong) and have the target locked up way before you are in launch range.

[Suchacz]

Locking Maverick depends on a contrast of your target in front of its background. At greater distances it's easier to lock an IR one, TV guided Mavs depends on clear weather and lighting conditions.

 

...and YES, it is possible to lock it even outside its range.

 

If you want to use Mav with your TGP, best way to understand how is to see some U2B tutorial, it's better than thousand words :thumbup:

Edited March 4, 2013 by Suchacz

[Hamblue]

I know I can't use them without the TGP

It takes some getting used to but you can use the MAV as a TGP and find and lock targets.

[LexiconG2]

Pave penny

 

What I was asking is how do I display the pave penny in the HUD? It's easy to arm and select then drop unguided bombs but how to I use pave penny so I can drop bombs accurately? Sure I would take any help I can get to learn the A-10C weapon systems.

[Suchacz]

You mean atacking targets lased from your buddies?

[159th_Viper]

What I was asking is how do I display the pave penny in the HUD? It's easy to arm and select then drop unguided bombs but how to I use pave penny so I can drop bombs accurately? Sure I would take any help I can get to learn the A-10C weapon systems.

 

Pave Penny is not modelled.

 

Use your TGP and set markpoints for accurate target prosecution. With markpoints and smart-bombs you can surgically remove a boil from a fly's backside from 15 000m AGL......and still be home in time for a wee dram.

[Suchacz]

Use your TGP and set markpoints for accurate target prosecution. With markpoints and smart-bombs you can surgically remove a boil from a fly's backside from 15 000m AGL......and still be home in time for a wee dram.

...only in SAM-free and Fast-Pipes-free battlespace :smilewink:

[LexiconG2]

Pave Penny is not modelled.

 

Use your TGP and set markpoints for accurate target prosecution. With markpoints and smart-bombs you can surgically remove a boil from a fly's backside from 15 000m AGL......and still be home in time for a wee dram.

 

 

Maybe Pave Penny is something else or something old school. I mean the circle with a dot in the middle that points down. It seems like in free flight mode it pops up randomly after a take off bomb drop then landing might be a bug?

[WildBillKelsoe]

I know I can't use them without the TGP

 

Surely you can.. But you have to exchange winks with death in the face without a TGP though..

[kk0425]

Maybe Pave Penny is something else or something old school. I mean the circle with a dot in the middle that points down. It seems like in free flight mode it pops up randomly after a take off bomb drop then landing might be a bug?

 

Are you dropping unguided bombs in CCIP?

[FreeFall]

IMHO, MAVs are the easiest weapons. Simply Fire And Forget. You just have to know some basic things, but eventually they are very easy to handle.

[EtherealN]

Maybe Pave Penny is something else or something old school. I mean the circle with a dot in the middle that points down. It seems like in free flight mode it pops up randomly after a take off bomb drop then landing might be a bug?

 

Pave Penny is the little pod that hangs off the side of the nose of the aircraft. It was used by A-model A-10's to detect laser designators. Not used on A-10C's and, indeed, several A-10 squadrons have now started to fly with them dismounted.

[Wayc00lio]

That circle with a dot in it you mentioned is the aiming cue for a type of weapon delivery method called CCIP. This dot represents a spot on the ground that the computer will use to calculate when to drop your bombs to hit that point on the ground when you press the pickle button. CCIP = Continuous Computed Impact Point.

 

It is used mainly with dumb bombs and is a way of dropping them onto a location that you have eyeballed.

 

However, with smart bombs (GBU or JDAM) you will either use the tgp to get the aiming reference from or a known point ie a markpoint or steerpoint with definite co-ords. Hence it is better, and in most cases safer, to use CCRP (continuous computed release point) which is when you fly at altitude and the computer determines the correct release parameters for that particular solution so the bombs will come off and hit that point on the ground directed by another sensor such as the tgp/markpoint - whatever.

 

So, with CCIP, you are usually nose down, fully committed to the attack run and probably in a very compromising position going hell for leather with your hair on fire whereas with CCRP, you are ambling along at 20,000 ft, smoking a pipe, sipping on the finest brandy and reading leather bound pornos while picking off targets at your discretion in the safe haven of altitude!!

 

You can of course drop dumb bombs in CCRP from altitude, but because they are unguided they stand a higher probability of missing due to inaccuracies and wind etc.

[IonicRipper]

I've just learned (the hard way) that if you leave the Mav's EO power on for 30 minutes or more, it won't lock on targets anymore. Is this correct? Sorry for the thread hijacking.

[Wayc00lio]

Incorrect. Just hit the ACK button on the MFD and the warning will go away. I've never not been able to lock targets after this warning, unless that's changed in 1.2.3

[IonicRipper]

Then i don't know what happened. I was flying in one of Threshor's training missions (6 Mavs, 6 tanks, 1 pass) to actually practice gun runs. After i ran out of ammo I wanted to use the Mavericks to dispatch the remaining 2 tanks, at the same time i got the check EO time message (after 30 minutes) and noticed the Mav slew was laggy and just wouldn't lock onto targets.

[REL]

Then i don't know what happened. I was flying in one of Threshor's training missions (6 Mavs, 6 tanks, 1 pass) to actually practice gun runs. After i ran out of ammo I wanted to use the Mavericks to dispatch the remaining 2 tanks, at the same time i got the check EO time message (after 30 minutes) and noticed the Mav slew was laggy and just wouldn't lock onto targets.

 

Interesting ... Can anybody else conform this?

[Rusty_M]

I just find I can't slew the MAV camera accurately. I have trouble with ground stabilization (or lack of). I'm quite happy to use the TGP to initially locate/create a mark point on the target, then slave the MAV to that.

[IonicRipper]

Did you try lowering the Mav slew rate? That might help.

[Dejjvid]

Yes, from what I understand you can slave the Mav to the TGP (correct me if Im wrong) and have the target locked up way before you are in launch range.

 

Sorry but you are wrong.

 

You can NEVER slave your Mavericks to your TGP. You slave to your Sensor Point of Interest (SPI). It is crucial that you understand SPI and Sensor Of Interest (SOI).

 

There is a ton of tutorials explaining SOI and SPI, I recommend you watch and read until you understand them both 100% before you continue. It will save you tons of frustration and you will be able to operate the A-10C much better.

 

Edit: Regarding the lock. You can not lock the Maverick outside the launch range. The furthest out you can lock is ~10NM with Force Correlate mode, and only with the biggest Mavs. Otherwise you get lock around 7.5-5nm under normal conditions.

Edited March 5, 2013 by Dejjvid

[kk0425]

Sorry but you are wrong.

 

You can NEVER slave your Mavericks to your TGP. You slave to your Sensor Point of Interest (SPI). It is crucial that you understand SPI and Sensor Of Interest (SOI).

 

There is a ton of tutorials explaining SOI and SPI, I recommend you watch and read until you understand them both 100% before you continue. It will save you tons of frustration and you will be able to operate the A-10C much better.

 

Edit: Regarding the lock. You can not lock the Maverick outside the launch range. The furthest out you can lock is ~10NM with Force Correlate mode, and only with the biggest Mavs. Otherwise you get lock around 7.5-5nm under normal conditions.

 

Actually, you set your TGP as the SPI and slave your maveriks to your SPI which is indeed the TGP if the TGP is set as SPI. SOI is the sensor you are manipulating, whether it be Maveriks, TGP, TDC, or TAD (I might be missing one but you get the idea). This is all explained on page 397 in the manual.

[EtherealN]

Actually, you set your TGP as the SPI and slave your maveriks to your SPI which is indeed the TGP if the TGP is set as SPI. SOI is the sensor you are manipulating, whether it be Maveriks, TGP, TDC, or TAD (I might be missing one but you get the idea). This is all explained on page 397 in the manual.

 

No.

 

TGP is not "the SPI".

The SPI is the sensor point selected as of interest: assigning a SPI with TGP as SOI causes the TGP's "target" to become the SPI, but this is not "slaving to TGP". To illustrate:

 

it is not:

MAV asks TGP for "SPI"

 

it is:

TGP tells computer what is SPI

MAV asks computer for SPI

 

The difference is subtle when at the basic level, but can be important for advanced use. (Especially when we start preparing for fun thing like "rippling" JDAM and/or Mavs on multiple targets in one pass.)