Laser Guided Rocket

[Phantom88]

A-10 fires first ever Laser guided Rocket

http://www.eglin.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123342512&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Mar]

First ever?:huh:

 

Russia originally led the way in the development of large calibre laser-guided rockets, fielding the Nudelman Precision Engineering Design Bureau (KB Tochmash) S-25L in the late 1980s. Derived from the unguided S-25-OFM, the S-25L is a 340 mm calibre rocket that weighs in at more than 400 kg. It is much larger than any Western airborne rocket and remains a front-line option for attack aircraft like the Sukhoi Su-25 and Su-30.

http://aviadef.com/eng/printarticle.aspx?magid=47&artid=179

 

I shoot laser guided rockets from my Su-25T all the time. Am I missing something or are they trying to pull something?

[Nealius]

I always thought a rocket was specifically an unguided, propelled munition. Once any kind of guidance system is attached to it the "rocket" becomes a missile.

[Paganus]

@Mar

 

The titile clearly says:

 

"A-10 fires first ever Laser guided Rocket"

 

Note "A-10"

 

It does not say first airplane.

 

We're all aware of the Toad's laser guided rockets.

 

;)

 

If you read the article you may also note that it says this system has already been tested on other aircraft.

Edited April 3, 2013 by Paganus

[pepin1234]

But the S-25L is a big rocket and only one per pylon. Exist a version of the S-5/8/13 rockets with the suffix "Kor" (from Russian корректируемые, meaning "correctable"). there are poor info about this proyect.

[Weta43]

Yep it's not the first 'laser guided rocket launch', it's just the first A-10 launch of a guided version of the old 2.75" unguided rockets you all know and love.

 

The intention being to have something guided that doesn't destroy an entire block when you use it in a 'friendly' country's urban areas.

[_Dredd]

BAE Systems APKWS™ By the Numbers

 

 

.. not sure how you embed videos :(

[Kusch]

"4/3/2013 - EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. (AFNS) -- The 40th Flight Test Squadron completed another first in February when an A-10 Thunderbolt II fired a guided rocket that impacted only inches away from its intended target."

 

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123342831

[NRG-Vampire]

wrong drafting :doh: if it's guided then there is no more rocket but missile ;)

i guess appellation come from Hydra FFAR but this is a different weapon, not the old dumb rocket

Edited April 3, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[Kaktus29]

i guess the "guided rocket" notion is about making a rocket with small adjustments into a missile.. while a missile on the other hand is a much more complex design etc..

 

the S-25L is a pretty good classic example how to turn a rocket into a guided -rocket.. i guess i would call it guided rocket too, because its not maneuverable enough to be called a missile..you have to pretty much fire it at the target as if firing an un-guided weapon but because of those minor or large adjustment it rockets right into the target ensuring excellent Pk..

[NRG-Vampire]

TOW and Hellfire are not maneuverable enough too (compared to an A2A missile) but called as missile from first time

so compared with FFAR: propulsion and warhead are same only the guidance (section) is new

Edited April 3, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[cltmmm]

I worked this program from when General Dynamics primed it. The "Guided Rocket" nomenclature was more for making it seem affordable, "easy", and it uses existing hardware. Bottom line theme was "you really aren't buying anything new and you get all this cool capability for next gen warfare." Don't dig too deep into it.

[tflash]

Anyhow - Dutch language e.g. only has the word rocket, not missile - I'll love to see APKWSII in DCS!

[NRG-Vampire]

I worked this program from when General Dynamics primed it. The "Guided Rocket" nomenclature was more for making it seem affordable, "easy", and it uses existing hardware. Bottom line theme was "you really aren't buying anything new and you get all this cool capability for next gen warfare." Don't dig too deep into it.

 

gotcha, thanks

so do you think Warthog, Apache will use these missiles/rockets instead of old Hydra FFARs

 

by the way: have you ever seen/heard Hellfires on Warthog (testing) ?

 

TY

Edited April 3, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[NineLine]

wrong drafting :doh: if it's guided then there is no more rocket but missile ;)

i guess appellation come from Hydra FFAR but this is a different weapon, not the old dumb rocket

 

And if you put people or monkeys in it, it becomes a spacecraft ;)

[NRG-Vampire]

And if you put people or monkeys in it, it becomes a spacecraft ;)

 

yeah, sure :megalol: but it depends of thrust and burning time :D

[cltmmm]

gotcha, thanks

so do you think Warthog, Apache will use these missiles/rockets instead of old Hydra FFARs

 

by the way: have you ever seen/heard Hellfires on Warthog (testing) ?

 

TY

Hellfires can't be fired from fixed wing. That is what JCM/JAGM is for. Still a long way off for this... Or just buy Brimstone.

[Phantom88]

Hellfires can't be fired from fixed wing. That is what JCM/JAGM is for. Still a long way off for this... Or just buy Brimstone.

 

Drones are not considered fixed wing?

Thx for your info BTW:thumbup:

[marcos]

The laser guided 127mm Zunis will make for an interesting anti-MBT alternative.

 

Drones are not considered fixed wing?

Thx for your info BTW:thumbup:

I'm sure I've heard of them being fired from AT-6s too. Don't the newer versions of the AC-130 also carry them?

Edited April 4, 2013 by marcos

[cltmmm]

Woops, meant fast movers... Something about the speed of the aircraft vs. initial thrust of the Hellfire can't get it off the rack, if memory serves me right.

[marcos]

Woops, meant fast movers... Something about the speed of the aircraft vs. initial thrust of the Hellfire can't get it off the rack, if memory serves me right.

Aren't they dropped before the motor kicks in with Reaper launches???

[NRG-Vampire]

Aren't they dropped before the motor kicks in with Reaper launches???

 

Hellfires need rails and not ejectors like AGM-130 :)

 

Hellfires can't be fired from fixed wing. That is what JCM/JAGM is for. Still a long way off for this... Or just buy Brimstone.

 

so Brimstones got stronger propulsion - initial acceleration and maximum speed ? maybe increased range too ? (than Hellfires)

 

TY

Edited April 4, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[VincentLaw]

Anyhow - Dutch language e.g. only has the word rocket, not missile - I'll love to see APKWSII in DCS!

 

In English, "missile" is just a generic word for any projectile, so bullets, rockets, arrows, javelins, discus, etc. are all missiles. "Rocket" refers to a category of jet propulsion. So an HVAR is both a rocket and a missile, but modern usage of the word missile frequently refers to something like the AGM-65. It is probably from a truncation of the phrase "guided missile." (which itself implies that missiles are not normally guided)

 

The equivalent phrase in Dutch would probably be "geleide projectiel." (ignoring the distinction from self propulsion)

 

Saying that someone has made the first laser guided rocket in 2013 is a gross abuse of language.

Edited April 5, 2013 by VincentLaw

[tflash]

In English, "missile" is just a generic word for any projectile, so bullets, rockets, arrows, javelins, discus, etc. are all missiles. "Rocket" refers to a category of jet propulsion. So an HVAR is both a rocket and a missile, but modern usage of the word missile frequently refers to something like the AGM-65. It is probably from a truncation of the phrase "guided missile." (which itself implies that missiles are not normally guided)

 

The equivalent phrase in Dutch would probably be "geleide projectiel." (ignoring the distinction from self propulsion)

 

Saying that someone has made the first laser guided rocket in 2013 is a gross abuse of language.

 

"Geleid projectiel", yes, that makes sense ! I never realized missile had this broad meaning of projectile.