E6b navigation

[dooom]

Anyone attempt this with our map and the p51?

[Nirvi]

Anyone attempt this with our map and the p51?

 

Yes, and I found my destination at night :D

[WildBillKelsoe]

I am currently trying to learn my TSD computer. I can't takeoff and start using it at the same time. I have to circulate around the takeoff field, adjust my speed and altitude first, then start going about my destination. If anyone cares to explain how, please do! I welcome it! Is the E6-B the same as TSD? I have one TSD with landing vectors back (the one with down/upwind/final) with runway.

 

Nonetheless, this is how we, the 51 lovers, navigate, and not use that kneeboard map inside the sim for max realism... Problem is, I've memorized about 5% of the entire Georgian area..

[Ala13_ManOWar]

CR-3 is easier, have more features and wind side is way better and smaller, just in case you still have to learn it. Anyway, E6B or CR-3 itself doesn't navigate for you, just make easier the same calculations you can make with a pen and paper.

 

You can't start calculate in flight, you get your rule in flight just in case you have to make some adjustment, but you can't fly and use the rule the same time. Calculations are made always before flying, like previous mate showed with your plotter and map, calculate headings, distances, ETA to chosen WP, wind and true heading to WP, always choose clearly WP with some kind of reference point, it's stupid in RL choose a WP in the middle of nothing because you can't possibly know if you're there yet or not. Using kneeboard map is not any problem, I put the map in my kneeboard many times (in RL), others I keep it in my hand.

 

TSD, well I haven't use any, what it shows is basically same you can see in a CR-3 or E6B, just Navigation Computers can make thousands of calculations not only TSD.

 

S!

Edited June 22, 2013 by Ala13_ManOWar

[Pyroflash]

You can't start calculate in flight, you get your rule in flight just in case you have to make some adjustment, but you can't fly and use the rule the same time. Calculations are made always before flying, like previous mate showed with your plotter and map, calculate headings, distances, ETA to chosen WP, wind and true heading to WP, always choose clearly WP with some kind of reference point, it's stupid in RL choose a WP in the middle of nothing because you can't possibly now if you're there yet or not. Using kneeboard map is not any problem, I put the map in my kneeboard many times (in RL), others I keep it in my hand.

 

Kockeywash. It is extremely simple to use the E6B in conjunction with in flight weather services. Especially in technically advanced aircraft with FMS that literally give you things like TAS, GS, WCA, etc. Actually, it has saved my butt a couple of times. You should still have your flight planning info with you, so it's not like you have to go back and plan everything over again.

 

The different rules for bearing change have their place for efficiency, but they are also useful for different things, while the E6B remains a mainstay for course and bearing calculations as well as the many other functions that it can serve in a non-technically advanced aircraft that does not calculate TAS or density altitude in an onboard mission computer (The P-51D is a good example of this). It should go without saying though, that even though the E6B is a quick and effective tool, one should not be reverse engineering crosswind components in the pattern. By that time, you either got it right, or will figure it out the hard way. Attempting to use the E6B at that time would at best be a distraction, and at worst a funeral.

 

Also yes a thousand times to kneeboards. Along with electronic flight bags, kneeboards are an unbelievably convenient place to store things like approach plates and folded sectional charts. Some even have a handy E6B pocket. Yeah, that would be a fun mod. Someone make ForeFlight for the P-51D. :)

 

Let me tell you about how once upon a time I was a student pilot. If I had some of the times I was trying to futz around with an open map in a cramped cockpit on video, I would probably fall over laughing. I also occasionally cry every time I realize that I had become dependent on electronic flight planning during flight school. A manual E6B is actually somewhat faster to work with than an electronic one. Plus it doesn't need batteries like my electronic one (although I must admit, new technology has made my life pretty easy compared to back then. Some of the apps I have on my phone are actually somewhat handy. Obviously I don't have my phone out in flight, well, unless my flashlight runs out of batteries. The screen on those phones is actually not a bad light source in a pinch.).

Edited June 19, 2013 by Pyroflash

[dooom]

actually - a pop up E6B mod would be kinda cool now that you mention it.

[WildBillKelsoe]

or even functioning detrola... now that RSBN is included with the 21.

[Crumpp]

An E6B would be great!

 

Here is picture of an original World War II E6B.

 

http://timeandnavigation.si.edu/multimedia-asset/e-6b-dead-reckoning-computer

[f86enthusiast]

Preflight planning maybe with the whiz wheel, but don't nuke it.

Edited December 30, 2014 by f86enthusiast

[Need-To-Know]

If you guys want a really authentic way the carrier based WW2 fighters did navigation/plotting check out this:

They had a drawer the fighter pilot could pull out and work on his plot on this board while flying.

The crews of carrier-based aircraft had to keep track of their own position as well as that of their aircraft carrier. This type of plotting board allowed them to track the movements of each and plot a return course.

 

Aircraft plotting board MARK 3A is the model I have.

 

 

To learn to use Old School navigation and the Mark 3 I purchased these books:

(sure there are more modern ways)

(Navy) Air Navigation a Five book set -

Air Navigation - Part One: Introduction to Earth

Air Navigation - Part Two: Introduction to Navigation

Air Navigation - Part Three: Dead Reckoning & Lines of Position

Air Navigation: Part Four - Navigation Instruments

Air Navigation: Part Five - Relative Movement

[Crumpp]

kneeboards are an unbelievably convenient place to store things like approach plates and folded sectional charts.

 

We need in cockpit reference to the checklist, too.

[jimcarrel]

If you guys want a really authentic way the carrier based WW2 fighters did navigation/plotting check out this:

They had a drawer the fighter pilot could pull out and work on his plot on this board while flying.

The crews of carrier-based aircraft had to keep track of their own position as well as that of their aircraft carrier. This type of plotting board allowed them to track the movements of each and plot a return course.

 

Aircraft plotting board MARK 3A is the model I have.

 

 

To learn to use Old School navigation and the Mark 3 I purchased these books:

(sure there are more modern ways)

(Navy) Air Navigation a Five book set -

Air Navigation - Part One: Introduction to Earth

Air Navigation - Part Two: Introduction to Navigation

Air Navigation - Part Three: Dead Reckoning & Lines of Position

Air Navigation: Part Four - Navigation Instruments

Air Navigation: Part Five - Relative Movement

 

That doesn't look too old, is there someone replicating those now? Maybe templates found on the web? It's very cool! I'm Jealous.

[TwoLate]

You want to talk about navigation. We used that in Il2 taking off of a carrier in the middle of an ocean. Taking out objective then had to fly back and find a moving carrier with no land in sight. It can be done.

[Fishnuts]

Oh, lord... The E6B! It was a great piece of tool for its time, but I use ForeFlight in the RL now.

[Paradox]

or even functioning detrola... now that RSBN is included with the 21.

 

Yes this please!

 

Detrola and homing adaptor are criminally absent in the Mustang!

[Backy 51]

I love it!

[jester_]

You want to talk about navigation. We used that in Il2 taking off of a carrier in the middle of an ocean. Taking out objective then had to fly back and find a moving carrier with no land in sight. It can be done.

 

Good lord the nostalgia. It was quite the sim experience.

 

But now, I'll never trade my INS in for it.

[FUgaijin]

Oh, lord... The E6B! It was a great piece of tool for its time, but I use ForeFlight in the RL now.

 

Love ForeFlight, greatest app ever.

[BSS_Sniper]

Oh, lord... The E6B! It was a great piece of tool for its time, but I use ForeFlight in the RL now.

 

Electronic E6B's were approved years back. My company gave us Surface 3's and Jeppesen Flight Deck Pro. I guess Foreflight is ok, but I wouldn't trade flight deck for anything. On top of the automatic chart and plate updates we're able to see our aircraft on the map and taxiway diagram, which is nice.