Flagrum Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Somehow I just wondered, why the Hip needs a flight engineer. In what situations are pilot and co-pilot so busy that a third pair of hands is needed?
kontiuka Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Apparently, on larger or more complex aircraft, a flight engineer is required to closely monitor the aircraft's systems like engines and other critical systems that require close attention. Takes the load off the pilot and co-pilot.
ff4life4 Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I would assume that the Mi-8 cannot be flown by a single pilot IRL, right?
TimeKilla Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I would guess it could be but it's not designed to be. :joystick: YouTube :pilotfly: TimeKilla on Flight Sims over at YouTube.
eurofor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Someone's gotta flip all the circuit breakers. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Slazi Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Massage for the stiff shoulders? My flight engineer would be hot as hell!
dahui Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Massage for the stiff shoulders? My flight engineer would be hot as hell! haha xD :thumbup:
Grim_Smiles Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 The flight engineer has a very important purpose in the Mi-8. When I zip around the battlefield at tree top level with miniguns and grenade launchers blowing away mofos like Chuck Norris in Delta Force while chomping on a massive Cuban cigar lit for me by a virgin supermodel, the flight engineer is there to repeatedly whisper in my ear "Remember thou art mortal". 1 "Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky; With hideous ruin and combustion down; To bottomless perdition, there to dwell; In adamantine chains and penal fire" (RIG info is outdated, will update at some point) i5 @3.7GHz (OC to 4.1), 16GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 970 4GB, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV, Razer Blackshark Headset, Obutto Ozone
number3 Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 The flight engineer has a very important purpose in the Mi-8. When I zip around the battlefield at tree top level with miniguns and grenade launchers blowing away mofos like Chuck Norris in Delta Force while chomping on a massive Cuban cigar lit for me by a virgin supermodel, the flight engineer is there to repeatedly whisper in my ear "Remember thou art mortal". lol, wow! Sounds like the supermodel is more useful than the flight engineer. 314-я смешанная авиационная дивизия 314th Mixed Aviation Division: The "Fighting Lemmings"- Forums: http://314thsquadron.enjin.com/ - ED Forum Group: http://forums.eagle.ru/group.php?groupid=119
AlphaOneSix Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 It depends on the doctrine and procedures of the nation that is flying it. In the U.S. for example, we don't fly with a flight engineer, but we do usually fly with at least one crew chief in the back (not in the flight engineer's position). In Russia and countries who have similar procedures, the flight engineer actually has quite an important role: startup and shutdown of the engines, monitoring temperatures and pressures of various system, and keeping track of how much time is spent in each power regime, and some other things I'm forgetting.
heloguy Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 It depends on the doctrine and procedures of the nation that is flying it. In the U.S. for example, we don't fly with a flight engineer, but we do usually fly with at least one crew chief in the back (not in the flight engineer's position). In Russia and countries who have similar procedures, the flight engineer actually has quite an important role: startup and shutdown of the engines, monitoring temperatures and pressures of various system, and keeping track of how much time is spent in each power regime, and some other things I'm forgetting. In the US, this depends on the helicopter. The CH-47 actually has a flight engineer, and in combat an extra crewmember to man the second gun. Same on the CH-53. Most of the time, though, these guys can't operate the engines, only the APU. i9 12900k @ 4.9ghz, 64gb RAM Nvidia RTX 3090 Windows 11 x64 Pimax Crystal VP Force Rhino w/RS F16GRH, Virpil TCS Rotor Plus AH-64 Collective, BRD F1 Pedals, WH Throttle, FSSB R3 w/WH Grip, PointCTRL v2
AlphaOneSix Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 In the US, this depends on the helicopter. The CH-47 actually has a flight engineer, and in combat an extra crewmember to man the second gun. Same on the CH-53. Most of the time, though, these guys can't operate the engines, only the APU. When I said "we" I was specifically referring to the Mi-8/Mi-17. Besides, as you mention, the FE on a Chinook is not at all like an FE in the Russian sense.
heloguy Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 When I said "we" I was specifically referring to the Mi-8/Mi-17. Besides, as you mention, the FE on a Chinook is not at all like an FE in the Russian sense. I guess I should have said "good" flight engineer...;) Anyway, you're right, they don't start engines, and it's the PC's ultimate responsibility for the other stuff you mentioned. i9 12900k @ 4.9ghz, 64gb RAM Nvidia RTX 3090 Windows 11 x64 Pimax Crystal VP Force Rhino w/RS F16GRH, Virpil TCS Rotor Plus AH-64 Collective, BRD F1 Pedals, WH Throttle, FSSB R3 w/WH Grip, PointCTRL v2
AlphaOneSix Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 I saw a YouTube video once of an Mi-8 starting up. The copilot was reading the startup checklist, the FE was doing all the work, and the captain was drinking a cup of tea! I'll have to see if I can find it again...
Jona33 Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 I saw a YouTube video once of an Mi-8 starting up. The copilot was reading the startup checklist, the FE was doing all the work, and the captain was drinking a cup of tea! I'll have to see if I can find it again... Owned by the British by any chance? Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
VanjaB Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 It depends on the doctrine and procedures of the nation that is flying it. In the U.S. for example, we don't fly with a flight engineer, but we do usually fly with at least one crew chief in the back (not in the flight engineer's position). In Russia and countries who have similar procedures, the flight engineer actually has quite an important role: startup and shutdown of the engines, monitoring temperatures and pressures of various system, and keeping track of how much time is spent in each power regime, and some other things I'm forgetting. So basically they flip switches and look at gauges? ;)
AlphaOneSix Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 So basically they flip switches and look at gauges? ;) Yeah, sort of like the majority of airline pilots these days. Anyway, the "Russian way" includes logging of a lot of different variables besides just flight times. The FE is responsible for recording that information as well. It's not practical to have one of the pilots doing it. Where I work, we simply don't record that information.
Dr_Arrow Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 even the Mi-24 has a flight engineer on board.
Suchacz Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 So basically they flip switches and look at gauges? ;) Yes. But keep in mind, that FE has deeper knowledge of the machine than both pilots. And in critical situations he can act quickly without taking care of piloting, and vice versa - pilot can do this job without taking care of (for example) failing engine... Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
lorenzoj Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 Yes and look at the poor sob in the KA-50. I know that there is a lot of computer assistance available but still you have one person dealing with flying, navigation, engine management, weapons system and targeting, threat assessment and response...... Stress level has to be high at best
Davis0079 Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 only thing stressful about the Blackshark is the lack of a cupholder and an ashtray.....its hard to steer a stick with your knee, hold a beer and light a smoke all at the same time....that and the addition of a dashboard hula dancer would be nice since the backup ADI does'nt hold its calibration for more then ten minutes It only takes two things to fly, Airspeed and Money.
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