DCS: Spitfire Mk LF IXc Discussion

[IronJockel]

Those doubting how well this plane will do on the servers might be surprised. I think this plane will do very well especially against new German pilots. Plus the German side seems to be less coordinated into pairs than the allies especially on the Dow server. Won't be anyone to bail you out if you get low and slow.

 

The average 109 pilot is spoiled by their advantage in turning, what makes it quite hard to help them if you're flying a dora. The spitfire will surely change that.

[DSR_T-800]

The average 109 pilot is spoiled by their advantage in turning, what makes it quite hard to help them if you're flying a dora. The spitfire will surely change that.

 

The Spitfire will definitely prevent the K4 from fighting in the horizontal but the Germans still have a strong advantage in the vertical. The P-51's only chance is fighting in the horizontal even though the K4 is better. This would make it even worse for the P-51 as it has no chance in competing in the vertical.

Edited April 25, 2016 by DSR_T-800

[arglmauf]

I hope the Spits can bind the K4s, allowing P51s to disengage and reenter the fight with proper altitude advantage on them so they can play their energy retention game. This would also make the Dora more important again as top cover for the K4s.

[Solty]

I hope the Spits can bind the K4s, allowing P51s to disengage and reenter the fight with proper altitude advantage on them so they can play their energy retention game. This would also make the Dora more important again as top cover for the K4s.

I am afraid that 109s will just B&Z poor Spits. But that will give a window of oportunity for the Stang players. 109's will less likely enter turning fights beeing afraid that Spit is lurking nearby.

[Kurfürst]

They can't bind them IMO, they would need speed for that, but they can make it more risky for K-4s to enter into a turning fight or exiting it via spiral climbing manouvers. However that's always a risk where there are multiple hostiles since one of them can definitely get a gun solution on you, provided he can close the range.

[arglmauf]

Kurfürst: What I meant was that the Spits either run them down in turnfighting or force them to run for distance (as you correctly pointed out) which is the P51s stronger turf again.

 

Not one plane to rule them all but one plane either playing to its strength or forcing the opponent into the playing field of the other. Or so I hope at least. Anything that makes the encounters more tactical and a bit more fun.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Mates, I have the foreseen gift and I predict the bunch of good and disciplined 109 and Dora pilots will still hold the battlefield from above while the reckless majority will T&B Spits to come here later saying Spit is übermodelled. Remember these words :lol:.

 

S!

[Solty]

Mates, I have the foreseen gift and I predict the bunch of good and disciplined 109 and Dora pilots will still hold the battlefield from above while the reckless majority will T&B Spits to come here later saying Spit is übermodelled. Remember these words :lol:.

 

S!

You are probably right. People will come saying "I've read that 109 and Spit were close in turn, but Spit outturns me every time". And then people will talk about how magical the slats were and how they made the 109 actually turn tighter than the Spit and throw "Skip Holm interview" as the main source xD

 

:pilotfly:I think I've seen this situation too many times. It exceeds the concept of Déjà vu.:music_whistling:

Edited April 27, 2016 by Solty

[Ala13_ManOWar]

:pilotfly:I think I've seen this situation too many times. It exceeds the concept of Déjà vu.:music_whistling:

True :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:

 

S!

[MAD-MM]

We see how good the Spit goe's, DCS have moest detailed FM it's not like all other flight sim's with black and white thats is, at what speed it outturn's all and where is Spit weak.

I am looking foward what yoyo is creating... hope very soon...

[DarkRaiderss]

You are probably right. People will come saying "I've read that 109 and Spit were close in turn, but Spit outturns me every time". And then people will talk about how magical the slats were and how they made the 109 actually turn tighter than the Spit and throw "Skip Holm interview" as the main source xD

 

:pilotfly:I think I've seen this situation too many times. It exceeds the concept of Déjà vu.:music_whistling:

I'm sure there will be those doing just that. I'm also sure, based on comments I've read on this forum, that there will also be those saying the spit is a flying brick and is underperforming. There will be complaints when inexperienced pilots get out turned by a 109. I have see both sides complain their plane sucks or that the opposing is overpowered.

[msalama]

I have seen both sides complain their plane sucks or that the opposing is overpowered.

 

It has always been like that in every WW2 sim I've ever flown and it's nothing but sheer idiocy. It got so bad at some point that I swore I'm not going to touch another WW2 sim again, but when/if ED gets this thing rolling, I of course will ;) Let's just hope the mods here are vigilant enough to suppress all that garbage before it gets out of hand, because it inevitably will if left unchecked. Those cretinous handbag wars! Can do without them just fine myself, thank you very much...

[bart]

Those cretinous handbag wars! Can do without them just fine myself, thank you very much...

 

Never heard of a Spitfire IX firing handbags before but hey......I'm sure some very clever Modder here would be happy to oblige :lol:

[otto]

Mates, I have the foreseen gift and I predict the bunch of good and disciplined 109 and Dora pilots will still hold the battlefield from above while the reckless majority will T&B Spits to come here later saying Spit is übermodelled. Remember these words :lol:.

 

S!

 

Just how p-fiftyoners claim it's because they don't have 72 boost they get shot down when the fly at tree top altitude, turnfight 109s and do it poorly.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Just how p-fiftyoners claim it's because they don't have 72 boost they get shot down when the fly at tree top altitude, turnfight 109s and do it poorly.

Of course, the very same. And I say they would burn out their 72-75" engines even sooner without benefits :thumbup:. But we're talking here about the upcoming "it's impossible that Spitfire outturned/outrunned/outclimbed me". Of course with their counterpart, "it's impossible that 109 outturned me" from poorly flown Spits, so we will never know, it's 109 übermodelled or Spitfire is? :D

 

S!

[Solty]

Of course, the very same. And I say they would burn out their 72-75" engines even sooner without benefits :thumbup:. But we're talking here about the upcoming "it's impossible that Spitfire outturned/outrunned/outclimbed me". Of course with their counterpart, "it's impossible that 109 outturned me" from poorly flown Spits, so we will never know, it's 109 übermodelled or Spitfire is? :D

 

S!

Well... there is a difference between believing that your airplane should do what it is unable to do, and wanting a historical feature present on the real airplane during the wartime.

[otto]

Of course, the very same. And I say they would burn out their 72-75" engines even sooner without benefits :thumbup:. But we're talking here about the upcoming "it's impossible that Spitfire outturned/outrunned/outclimbed me". Of course with their counterpart, "it's impossible that 109 outturned me" from poorly flown Spits, so we will never know, it's 109 übermodelled or Spitfire is? :D

 

S!

 

+1

[probad]

Well... there is a difference between believing that your airplane should do what it is unable to do, and wanting a historical feature present on the real airplane during the wartime.

 

and then there are people who want a historical feature because they believe it will do things it is unable to do :lol:

[Solty]

and then there are people who want a historical feature because they believe it will do things it is unable to do :lol:

[MiloMorai]

Allied planes were well put together and unfortunately Axis are not modeled as they historically should be which gives them an advantage.:D

[klem]

Allied planes were well put together and unfortunately Axis are not modeled as they historically should be which gives them an advantage.:D

 

Isn't there a Reliability setting ('Condition') for a/c in the ME?

 

109Ks could be set to 80%?

[Solty]

Isn't there a Reliability setting ('Condition') for a/c in the ME?

 

109Ks could be set to 80%?

And people would be mad. No one wants to join a game just to get a fuel pump damage during 30min flight :/

[Nerd1000]

And people would be mad. No one wants to join a game just to get a fuel pump damage during 30min flight :/

 

They wouldn't stop flying the 109, they'd just dredge up every anecdote of a Spitfire breaking down they could find on the internet and 'make the case' that the spitfire's reliability should be reduced to 70%. Then Spitfire fans bring up the Nazi use of forced labor, Kurfurst appears to say something about the effects of 25lbs boost on Spitfire serviceability, and from there (via 15 pages of arguing) the thread somehow ends up being about the unreliability of the Panther Tank's transmission.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Nerd1000

[NineLine]

And people would be mad. No one wants to join a game just to get a fuel pump damage during 30min flight :/

 

Would be cool if something random could be done with MIST scripting though... not always, but occasionally you could get a lemon...

[Ala13_ManOWar]

They wouldn't stop flying the 109, they'd just dredge up every anecdote of a Spitfire breaking down they could find on the internet and 'make the case' that the spitfire's reliability should be reduced to 70%. Then Spitfire fans bring up the Nazi use of forced labor, Kurfurst appears to say something about the effects of 25lbs boost on Spitfire serviceability, and from there (via 15 pages of arguing) the thread somehow ends up being about the unreliability of the Panther Tank's transmission.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Absolutely!!

 

S!