Wags update: F-15C: DCS Flaming Cliffs Update

[Snoopy]

Not according to that interview that ED did on the FM in the video, AFM includes everything not just the FM but every detail of the aircraft that effects the FM.

 

You're still wrong but whatever.

 

But, based on your argument the JFS has nothing to do with the FM.

[NineLine]

Lets give an example, if there is an object on the F-XX that directly effects the FM, but is classified or the data for whatever reason on it is incomplete or unavailable, but you know how it effects the FM and can still create an accurate FM without exactly modelling said object then you are ok. The FM will still function correctly, maybe you lose the ability to have higher details when it comes to the properties of the object, but you still end up with a highly accurate FM.

 

This is also helped probably by the interaction with an actual pilot, like in the case of the F-15C, now I have no idea what info they have for the AFM, so my example isnt specific to that aircraft, but if they are short on info on a certain system and can model it, it would still be possible to fill in the gaps by the pilots experience or other data.

 

I hope that made a little sense and not total gibberish :)

[Raven68]

Not according to that interview that ED did on the FM in the video, AFM includes everything not just the FM but every detail of the aircraft that effects the FM.

 

I think JFS could be part of the AFM but not something the player would need to bother with unless you had an engine failure. If they were modelling an F-16 though then the EPU would definitely be part of the AFM.

 

I can't see how JFS impacts the handling of the aircraft. It's merely a system to get the aircraft started. My understanding for AFM, and correct me if I am wrong, would be to model components in the aircraft that impact flight such as for example fuel, hydraulic and control systems and surfaces. When these items are affected in someway it impacts the flight model behavior.

[SkateZilla]

I can't see how JFS impacts the handling of the aircraft. It's merely a system to get the aircraft started. My understanding for AFM, and correct me if I am wrong, would be to model components in the aircraft that impact flight such as for example fuel, hydraulic and control systems and surfaces. When these items are affected in someway it impacts the flight model behavior.

 

This!

 

AFM is Aerodynamics of each part, FCS Parameters for Moving Surfaces Limits, Fuel Cell Locations, Hydraulic Pressure for Moving Surfaces, Actuators, Fuel Consumption, Throttle Input Response, Weight, CoG Balance, Gear Strut Compression under loads, etc etc.

 

Starting the Plane has nothing to do with how it flies.

 

p.s. A-10A Still Starts the same way it did with SFM.

Edited December 6, 2013 by SkateZilla

[SkateZilla]

Wags Update:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1942004#post1942004

[lunaticfringe]

So long as the AoA limiter goes the way of the unicorn (fictitious, never existed, extinct), with legit CAS control it's going to be an entirely new F-15.

[SUBS17]

You're still wrong but whatever.

 

But, based on your argument the JFS has nothing to do with the FM.

 

=Time taken for engine restart after flame out and that could happen in the event the pilot exceeds the aircrafts engine limitations in AoA or something like that. It can also effect the ability to restart as well so the AFM factors a lot of variables there maybe some factors which might prevent an engine restart eg G etc. Either way it will be good to fly and IMO the comments on CAS are probably more interesting and have greater effect than JFS.

[SUBS17]

This!

 

AFM is Aerodynamics of each part, FCS Parameters for Moving Surfaces Limits, Fuel Cell Locations, Hydraulic Pressure for Moving Surfaces, Actuators, Fuel Consumption, Throttle Input Response, Weight, CoG Balance, Gear Strut Compression under loads, etc etc.

 

Starting the Plane has nothing to do with how it flies.

 

 

It does if you have a flameout.

[Rotorhead]

Nice update! I'm sure this new F-15 AFM will be lots of fun! :)

 

What I'm concerned about though, is complete lack of any info on Su-27. Both were planned to come out by the end of this year. For F-15, chances are somewhere near zero now I guess, and as for the Flanker... Well, nobody knows, but this silence doesn't sound good to me, not in the least.

[Rotorhead]

Like always, ED doesn't like to tell what's in the factory, rather the polishing state, but progress is very much alive for the Suhkoi. I might add that they still have a 3 and a half weeks to fine tune this beast, so I wouldn't get my hopes down just yet, especially since you have a real Eagle pilot making sure it's done right! :thumbup:

 

Well, hope is always second last to die (right before Chuck Norris), but I'm not holding my breath either. Although I won't complain if they have few little surprises for us in store for Christmas. Like, something very big and noisy with two afterburning engines. :)

 

And yes, having a real pilot inside the team is very nice thing. That's why I love ED - they're taking their time, but they also take care to make their product top class. Although it seems that together with 6DOF cockpit and AFM, little (or bigger) delay is a vital part of that famous "DCS standard". :P

[Pilotasso]

Nice update! I'm sure this new F-15 AFM will be lots of fun! :)

 

What I'm concerned about though, is complete lack of any info on Su-27. Both were planned to come out by the end of this year. For F-15, chances are somewhere near zero now I guess, and as for the Flanker... Well, nobody knows, but this silence doesn't sound good to me, not in the least.

 

We will have the Su-27AFM, probably not too long after F-15's AFAIK its the next thing out. :)