71st_Mastiff Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 To everyone that is considering getting the X55 you might wanna start a massdrop vote and you could get really nice discount - i've seen things go for up to 42% off. Needs 200 votes to get it to the purchasing stage. https://www.massdrop.com/vote/saitek-x55-rhino-hotas-system-for-pc Its similar to kickstarter, as in once there are enough people registered for interested, they will go straight to the manufacturer and get a batch of the product with discounted since there is no middle-man, and well they have a known quantity guaranteed for sale. Make sure you vote for the first one option not the 2nd one (i stuffed it up) voted "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-64gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || Z10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/ G502LogiMouse || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
cichlidfan Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Have to admit, this looks better than the warthog for jets with radar. It really annoys me not having any rotaries on the 'hog. Unless they have a better source for pots than they have used in the past, the rotaries won't be of all that much use. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Fri13 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I think Logitech need to build something like a replica FA-18 or Su27 hotas with ffb and they will dominate the market. look how well the warthog has done, Saitek have there own style but most flight sim users go for immersion and having a starwars style joystick infront of u covering in glowing led's is the worst thing for that. unless your flying a spacecraft lol. one of my favourite sticks was the trustmaster master flight control system. felt amazing compaired to new ones. G940 is amazing but it has few flaws what are that stick would need 1-3 4-way hats more, more likely where the thumb button is, so it would be like WH. And then have a two 4-way on throttle too where fingers have now two buttons. And of course, make the throttle be adjustable so you can add a new extension pipe to other so helicopter pilots would be happy. And do same to stick, add a nice curved 50cm extension pipe so you can place it o floor and stick gets on you lap. This without modification requirements and it is a hit. Of course sell then packages and each part individually. No need for individual USB cables but keep same hub in stick where you attach all parts. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
Dudikoff Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Unless they have a better source for pots than they have used in the past, the rotaries won't be of all that much use. Personally, I haven't had any issues with the X65 pots compared to e.g. X52 Pro which are unstable (though, that might be because the price is much higher so they used somewhat better pots). i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Fri13 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Ar they talking about two X55 joysticks? Mach and Rhino? If so maybe one is FFB. I would like a Joystick with Warthog slim base like... but with both FFB and Force sensing. If I want to fly an F16 or a Rafale the FFB should make the stick stiff and the Force Sensing should take over... other than that the Force sensing would have a role in modulating the power from FFB in some occasions... like a feedback better than the optical sensor from G940 that has only 0 and 1 positions... like when you take the hand of it should not snap like a moron but sense I let it go and move slowly to center. Etc. I didn't like the idea at all in the hand detection what is reason why I taped sensor because flying helicopter and then when you are requires to take right hand off for a second, chopper is around and mast pumped rotor off. If it would return stick to new center KA-50 trimming, it would be awesome as it would keep going as should. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
Fri13 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 isn't with all those fly by wires, real planes don't have force feedback anymore? or I'm assuming wrong? They do have. At least su-27\35 has feedback to pilot and don't see why it wouldn't be with others (excluding F-16 etc) i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
kdittyr Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Put in my vote on massdrop. I hope this goes through :) __________________ kdittyr
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doveman Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Damn, read Massdrop's FAQ and it seems it's only suitable for those in the US, as their parcels are only tracked whilst their in the US and there will be considerable shipping and customs fees (at least 20% VAT plus Royal Mail's £8 handling fee) to pay on top of the purchase price :( Main rig: i5-4670k @4.4Ghz, Asus Z97-A, Scythe Kotetsu HSF, 32GB Kingston Savage 2400Mhz DDR3, 1070ti, Win 10 x64, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD (OS & Data), OCZ 480GB SSD (Games), WD 2TB and WD 3TB HDDs, 1920x1200 Dell U2412M, 1920x1080 Dell P2314T touchscreen
doveman Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 Stuff to Australia seemed quite reasonable. Even with the postage and any potential taxes, it was still considerably cheaper. I couldn't actually see anywhere on the site where it states how much shipping will be to the UK though, so I can't really know what the final price will be (before import duties). All I found was the FAQ which says: "Do you ship internationally? Yes. We do everything that we can to support shipping to all countries. Keep in mind that you might have to pay more for shipping if you live outside of the United States, and you’ll be responsible for any additional customs fees, taxes, or duties. Also, bear in mind that the vast majority of our products are shipped using the US Postal Service (or USPS, not to be confused with UPS), and the tracking numbers for these shipments only work while the shipment is inside the US. The last location listed on an international order's tracking record is usually Los Angeles, Chicago, or Jamaica, New York, as these are the places through which all USPS packages leave the USA." Main rig: i5-4670k @4.4Ghz, Asus Z97-A, Scythe Kotetsu HSF, 32GB Kingston Savage 2400Mhz DDR3, 1070ti, Win 10 x64, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD (OS & Data), OCZ 480GB SSD (Games), WD 2TB and WD 3TB HDDs, 1920x1200 Dell U2412M, 1920x1080 Dell P2314T touchscreen
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GriffonBR Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) New videos. CES 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzWdRU8npfg DAT THROTTLE:bounce: Damn, it could be really sold as a standalone product.:( Edited January 28, 2014 by GriffonBR Intel 8700K@4.7ghz(all cores) / 32Gb DDR4 /WD Black SN750 Heatsink 500gb (DCS Only) / MSI GeForce RTX 2070 GAMING Z 8G / Windows 10 PRO / VPC WarBRD Base + Warthog Stick + Foxx Mount / Thrustmaster TPR pedals / Thustmaster MFD / Thrustmaster Warthog throttle + Monstertech chair mount
Fri13 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Looks huge HOTAS but sadly twist stick and no FF cause it to be bad for most.... i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
Dudikoff Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Looks huge HOTAS but sadly twist stick and no FF cause it to be bad for most.... Twist stick can be locked out probably like on previous Saitek sticks (though hopefully it will be made more sturdy than on the X52 Pro). How exactly does no FF make it "bad for most"? HOTAS products don't come with FFB generally (there are some exceptions, of course, like e.g. G940). Like the seemingly ruberised stick and throttle, hope the buttons and pots are not too cheap as on the X52 Pro. Looks like something I could buy for general usage if the price is decent and the spring 'feel' is OK. Edited January 28, 2014 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Suchacz Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) WTF - a hat on the ring-finger? Whatta fail in design! :cry: And the upper two toggle switches under the throttle lever look like they are hard to reach Edited January 28, 2014 by Suchacz Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
cichlidfan Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 WTF - a hat on the ring-finger? Whatta fail in design! :cry: Looking at pics, interesting that they moved the hat switch to the left throttle, seems weird to use the ring finger for that? :) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
txmtb Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 WTF - a hat on the ring-finger? Whatta fail in design! :cry: I thought that at first too but the specs have it listed as 2 way. It's the "K" switch. It's a 2 way up/down switch. Still seems kind of awkward though. Win 10 64 Pro, MSI Z390 I7-9700K @5ghz Kraken Z63, 32Gb Corsair Dominator, MSI RTX-2070, 1TB NVME 2TB SSD's, TM Warthog, Pro Rudders, OpenTrack w/ IR Clip
Flagrum Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 How exactly does no FF make it "bad for most"? HOTAS products don't come with FFB generally (there are some exceptions, of course, like e.g. G940). Exactly for that reason (as far as I am concerned :o) - normal joysticks and HOTAS are available like sand at the beach and I am not overly interested in another one. A decent FFB device on the other hand would be gold ...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 WTF - a hat on the ring-finger? Whatta fail in design!It does look weird. However, I will not prejudge functionality of the hat switch before I actually put my hands on it. The saying goes: "If it is stupid, but it works, then it is not stupid!" Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
doveman Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Exactly for that reason (as far as I am concerned :o) - normal joysticks and HOTAS are available like sand at the beach and I am not overly interested in another one. A decent FFB device on the other hand would be gold ... Yeah, I'm disappointed too but I think you're wrong to suggest that we're spoilt for decent HOTAS. What other than the Warthog (which is much more expensive) is available with so many hats and switches and using hall sensors? Main rig: i5-4670k @4.4Ghz, Asus Z97-A, Scythe Kotetsu HSF, 32GB Kingston Savage 2400Mhz DDR3, 1070ti, Win 10 x64, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD (OS & Data), OCZ 480GB SSD (Games), WD 2TB and WD 3TB HDDs, 1920x1200 Dell U2412M, 1920x1080 Dell P2314T touchscreen
ED Team NineLine Posted January 28, 2014 ED Team Posted January 28, 2014 It does look weird. However, I will not prejudge functionality of the hat switch before I actually put my hands on it. The saying goes: "If it is stupid, but it works, then it is not stupid!" I think it will be like anything, and just take some getting used to, but I dont see anything on the stick or throttle that looks too bad... I will start doing pinky curls to make sure the muscles are ready ;) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
PureEvil Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 i wonder what you guys would've said, if saitek made a replica of F-35 throttle, can't complain, can you? lol STEAM asus p8z68-v gen3, 2600k@4,5ghz(w/c), 16gb, 1080ti(w/c), ch fighterstick/gvl224-4000-8, ch pro throttle, Oculus Rift CV1+Touch, thrustmaster tx
ED Team NineLine Posted January 28, 2014 ED Team Posted January 28, 2014 i wonder what you guys would've said, if saitek made a replica of F-35 throttle, can't complain, can you? lol Hmm F-35 pilots require 2 extra fingers on each hand :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Suchacz Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Hmm F-35 pilots require 2 extra fingers on each hand :) :thumbup: 1 Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
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