So what's everyone's take on the future of DCS?

[bertux25]

Im playing dcs while waiting for Seven g. :music_whistling:

[Neon67]

is there any published financial records from ED ? how many sales they made ? How many personal they have ? etc..

[Silver_Dragon]

financial records and sales have confidential. ED personal number you can check them on the different manual modules.

[Neon67]

is it a specific to Russia ? Cause in most country companies has to published it

[NineLine]

is it a specific to Russia ? Cause in most country companies has to published it

 

 

And how would that help you?

[Neon67]

just to get some infos about ED actual situation

[NineLine]

just to get some infos about ED actual situation

 

 

To help you... what?

[Gloom Demon]

Only companies, which have their stock trading on stock exchanges, are required to provide information about their business results in most countries. I believe this is also the case in Russia. I also believe that ED is not a public company.

 

is it a specific to Russia ? Cause in most country companies has to published it

[Neon67]

to know for exemple how big the company is

Is it groing up or dieing ? This would then gave us some infos then to know if dcs is going to die slowly or get new stuffs. Or continuous patch fixing bugs while creating new ones .

 

You make it sounds like its a bad thing to be curious about the company develloping your best loved sim

[cichlidfan]

is it a specific to Russia ? Cause in most country companies has to published it

 

I don't know about other countries but in the US, unless a company is publicly owned (traded on the stock exchange), they do not have to publish any information about staff, sales, or anything else.

[Neon67]

So far i know , in France you have to, but maybe not all your infos will be automaticly available to the public . But the most important of them will be.

Actvity type, Type of Company , Capital , Personal Number

 

Its also quite relevant for investors

Edited December 3, 2013 by Neon67

[NineLine]

to know for exemple how big the company is

Is it groing up or dieing ? This would then gave us some infos then to know if dcs is going to die slowly or get new stuffs. Or continuous patch fixing bugs while creating new ones .

 

You make it sounds like its a bad thing to be curious about the company develloping your best loved sim

 

 

I dont know how any of that would help you, you can get a good estimate of how many people work at ED by, as someone said above, looking at the manuals.

 

We are continuously seeing patches, this hasnt slowed... that should show health. A number of 3rd Parties are on the verge of release. Ed Partners are going strong. Yes even RRG... but I will give you that a lot of it is behind the scenes... EDGE is close, and IMHO a turning point for the sim.

 

If its about lack of updates, well threads like these probably make the devs less inclined to share because everything becomes a giant pity party when this person or that persons favourite thing doesnt get enough love.

 

SO what else do we need to know?

[cichlidfan]

So far i know , in France you have to, but maybe not all your infos will be automaticly available to the public . But the most important of them will be.

Actvity type, Type of Company , Capital , Personal Number

 

Its also quite relevant for investors

 

If the company is not accepting investors, since they are privately owned, then how would any of that information be relevant to investors.

[Neon67]

well the first thing that trubles me is that dcs world is running on a old code basis . Ed is really great at doing airplanes, but seems terrible when it comes to online code .

 

So did they hired more people with the sales they made or engage a 3rd company to rework the network code for instance ?

 

This sim has still a huge work to be done, but is ED up to the task or should they need help from others ? This is my main fear about the futur of DCS World .

 

But dont get me wrong, i know ED is doing the best they can and they made amazing jobs on some areas, and i thank them in any case for giving us that sim .

 

If the company is not accepting investors, since they are privately owned, then how would any of that information be relevant to investors.

 

Investors can be your bank when requesting a loan, insurance company, etc .

Edited December 3, 2013 by Neon67

[Der_Fred]

If anything.. Oleg and Ilya will inject a 'new world' into DCS, and development should (hopefully) speed up.

[VanjaB]

Anyone else find it rather ironic that this thread was moved to chit-chat and yet the DCSW - awesome thread resides comfortably at the top of the 'DCS World' subforum?

[NineLine]

The reason we are seeing a little more stability is because they are updating the base of DCS:W under our feet, did you notice the system specs recently changed? Did you notice 32bit support has been dropped? These are all things pushing the game farther forward, but you have to look forward, not at your feet.

 

More help costs more money, I am sure they would love to have the budget of DICE or some company like that, but this is a flight sim, its not generating the same funds that BF4 or CoD does... it never will. So the idea that ED should throw more people at the problem is great, but now come up with how to do it. Nobody truly works for free, specially when there is money in the end project... if this is the type of hobby you have chosen, you kinda have to put up with its limitations...

 

well the first thing that trubles me is that dcs world is running on a old code basis . Ed is really great at doing airplanes, but seems terrible when it comes to online code .

 

So did they hired more people with the sales they made or engage a 3rd company to rework the network code for instance ?

 

This sim has still a huge work to be done, but is ED up to the task or should they need help from others ? This is my main fear about the futur of DCS World .

 

But dont get me wrong, i know ED is doing the best they can and they made amazing jobs on some areas, and i thank them in any case for giving us that sim .

 

 

 

Investors can be your bank when requesting a loan, insurance company, etc .

[Neon67]

The reason we are seeing a little more stability is because they are updating the base of DCS:W under our feet, did you notice the system specs recently changed? Did you notice 32bit support has been dropped? These are all things pushing the game farther forward, but you have to look forward, not at your feet.

 

More help costs more money, I am sure they would love to have the budget of DICE or some company like that, but this is a flight sim, its not generating the same funds that BF4 or CoD does... it never will. So the idea that ED should throw more people at the problem is great, but now come up with how to do it. Nobody truly works for free, specially when there is money in the end project... if this is the type of hobby you have chosen, you kinda have to put up with its limitations...

 

I would never compared ED to a AAA studio, not at all the same market and budget.

 

But i would rather compare ED to those who made Il2 Sturmovik for instance

 

Yes i noticed the change of specs also.

But if you are transforming a house to a sky scrapper with the same fundations, is it not risky ? For the code side i mean .

[NineLine]

I would never compared ED to a AAA studio, not at all the same market and budget.

 

But i would rather compare ED to those who made Il2 Sturmovik for instance

 

Yes i noticed the change of specs also.

But if you are transforming a house to a sky scrapper with the same fundations, is it not risky ? For the code side i mean .

 

 

Not if you start at the base and work your way up, which is what they are doing, the only other option would be for them to stop development on DCS World, and work on DCS:W 2.0, we probably wouldnt see anything new for a few years... I'll pass on that, I like some of the new stuff, and dont mind a few bumps in the development road.

 

I dont want to comment on the IL2 guys too much as I dont know much about them at all, but I dont think they are really in the same market or business model as ED, they are shooting for somewhere inbetween DCS:W and the MMO flight sims I think, but again... I dont know beyond what I have seen from their develoment.

[GGTharos]

This sim has still a huge work to be done, but is ED up to the task or should they need help from others ? This is my main fear about the futur of DCS World .

This sim is already a huge amount of work. It has been going strong for a decade and it doesn't seem to be slowing down. It has gone from LockOn 1.0, a single title with a few med-fi planes, to a huge modular title including hi-fi aircraft of different eras with military and civillian sim spin-offs. Those things are not secret.

 

 

Investors can be your bank when requesting a loan, insurance company, etc .

Those are private investors, a private company doesn't have to tell you anything - just their investors, if any.

[GGTharos]

It is less risky than stopping to develop a new engine for 5 years. Yes, that is how long they take.

Build on what you have instead until you can make a replacement.

 

But if you are transforming a house to a sky scrapper with the same fundations, is it not risky ? For the code side i mean .

[Neon67]

Not if you start at the base and work your way up, which is what they are doing, the only other option would be for them to stop development on DCS World, and work on DCS:W 2.0, we probably wouldnt see anything new for a few years... I'll pass on that, I like some of the new stuff, and dont mind a few bumps in the development road.

 

 

I m not against new bugs about the new content released, but why for instance, since the leatest patch sets, every updates give bugs to things implemented since a long time which were stable in dcs: radios, Abris airport search, refuel , perf dropping?

 

For exemple if you open an old mission you might get old texture pit in your craft, which means the missions saves the aircraft as an object instead of making a reference to it ?

 

Those might be indicators to me that the code basis need the be cleaned up in a way . But of course need time and budget for that

 

This sim is already a huge amount of work. It has been going strong for a decade and it doesn't seem to be slowing down. It has gone from LockOn 1.0, a single title with a few med-fi planes, to a huge modular title including hi-fi aircraft of different eras with military and civillian sim spin-offs. Those things are not secret.

 

 

 

I never said the contrary , since Lock on we had a lot of new features , su-25t , dcs bs , a10c, world etc

[NineLine]

Because they are working on the base code of the sim, everything can be effected, even in ways you might not think about, its a price of being able to continue to enjoy the sim as they add new and updates things...

 

I m not against new bugs about the new content released, but why for instance, since the leatest patch sets, every updates give bugs to things implemented since a long time which were stable in dcs: radios, Abris airport search, refuel , perf dropping?

 

For exemple if you open an old mission you might get old texture pit in your craft, which means the missions saves the aircraft as an object instead of making a reference to it ?

 

Those might be indicators to me that the code basis need the be cleaned up in a way . But of course need time and budget for that

 

 

 

I never said the contrary , since Lock on we had a lot of new features , su-25t , dcs bs , a10c, world etc

[Raven68]

It is less risky than stopping to develop a new engine for 5 years. Yes, that is how long they take.

Build on what you have instead until you can make a replacement.

 

Agreed! I personally see improvements with each version and since I did hardware upgrades. I think there have been 2 major updates since I did that so yes it is getting better for me as far as performance and stability. I am sure it will get better. My only issue is with lack of new content, but again I have to take a step back and TRY to embrace & understand what may be happening behind the scenes to deliver the new content.

[tarracta]

I think the main problem is the lack of new content, especially maps and planes.

 

There are many people out there who just like to fly an F-4, F-16, F/A-18, F-22 and F-35, F-117A and so on... and don't care about a 150% simulation, but want a 50%-Simulation and no PS3-crap like nearly every other "fighter plane sim" behaves...

Jane's USAF came up 10 years ago with and surely no plane was exactly simulated, but it was good as it was and created many hours of fun.

 

I have nearly no understanding why it takes lightyears to design a cockpit and a body and modify some avionics data so every plane gets its own characteristics. Release these planes every 3 months as a FC3-module and many "casual gamers" are coming and providing much funds. So ED would have the capability and all the time in the world to pick every plane step by step and bring it (for enthusiasts) to DCS level.

 

And finally say goodbye to this Black Sea map ... people want to fly over places they now and not the last cornerstone of the world....

Edited December 3, 2013 by tarracta