DCS World or Helicopter World

[Slazi]

Even though it is perfectly obvious that flying or buying modules someone dislikes is not mandatory. Resources and time still had to be "wasted" on the creation thereof. It's kinda cool to fly around with some historical stuff for enthusiasts, sure. Even I bought the P-51, just to support ED (Like many other modules, actually).

 

The P-51D was originally an internal project for a physics test. IIRC they ended up putting so much work into it they decided to release it. It was never their goal.

 

Apart from that, no other modules ED have put out have been out of context. Third party developers do whatever generates interest and money.

 

I would like to see more modern / semi-modern aircraft. I think it's down to third party devs to flesh out the choices available.

[Trooper117]

There seems to be such a diverse spectrum with all the different dev groups coming up with random aircraft.

I know many of these don't fit into the current DCS map and there doesn't seem to be any integrated plan to have 'a aircraft playset' to represent a specific theatre or map.

As someone who has not long joined the DCS world (although I have been playing flight sims for many years) I may have got hold of the wrong end of the stick, so please feel free to correct me in my assumptions :)

At the moment, all I perceive is that we have a Georgian theatre map with some aircraft that can be effectively used on it.

There are quite a few other planes in the pipeline, but they are from separate dev teams, producing planes that have been wanted by the community at large, but can't play an effective role in the current map? (campaigns etc)...

Is DCS supposed to be like this? just adding random aircraft that can be played on the only map available, or is there a 'grand plan' that I'm not aware of?

[104th_Crunch]

First module BS from 2008

 

We are in 2014 and still no supersonic fighter jet

 

...

 

Well, I had to post in this thread. I know I will sound like a broken record. I know ED are not happy to hear me say this again, and again. I know there are reasons for having no DCS level jet as of yet. I know not everyone has the same preferences. Some like helos, some like WWII planes etc.

　

My observations are that things as of Mar 2013 for modern jet fans are very sad. To me (my own personnel observation) it seems ED were built on the foundation of Lock On/Flaming Cliffs. A core foundation of fans of jet fighters were built. Then, all the new shiny toys came, and none of those new products were for the core audience of jet fans. The updating of FC is nice, but when you've been flying FC since 2008, and spoiled with the incredible work that is BS, A10C and P51, it's hard to fly the same FC jets with new paint jobs,and not be disappointed. What ever the reasons, the end fact is it is 2014, and no new study level modern jet.

　

The new updated F15, and Su27 will be great, but not being up to A10C standards will still be disappointing to me. Also, they are not here yet.

　　

I don't know the state of multi-player for DCS right now. I know I was a big part of it's past, but without player vs player action with something up to the DCS level, I will wait. I don't want to be part of DCS until a modern DCS level jet is with us. That is just me though. I mean no disrespect to the hard work of ED, and their testers. Just my own preference.

Edited March 4, 2014 by Crunch

[Lib]

I have to agree with Crunch and Didi, even i only fly on helicopters, i have to say that a DCS level jet fighter is realy missing to keep a squadron welded and interested in missions. Lock On is dated, time to go ahead.

[Exorcet]

There seems to be such a diverse spectrum with all the different dev groups coming up with random aircraft.

I know many of these don't fit into the current DCS map and there doesn't seem to be any integrated plan to have 'a aircraft playset' to represent a specific theatre or map.

The only thing that the modules truly don't fit into is people's expectations of history textbook reenactments.

 

There isn't any plan for aircraft sets at the moment (although if you look at ED's modules (Ka-50, A-10, F-18C [no Mustang because it was not created to be sold]) they are all current/modern. There are a couple of third party modern aircraft (F-15E) but most are previous generation (like the A-7)

 

I have a hard time finding aircraft that seem out of place in DCS's map. The Mustang certainly isn't one given that the Caucus oil fields were a German target that they simply didn't get to reach. People are perfectly fine creating a fully fictional war in Georgia so long as it has 1990's+ aircraft, but to think about the Russian winter in 1941/42 being more mild and leading to prolonged fighting seems to be considered the same as invoking magic. I personally don't see much difference, Mustangs make perfect sense on the map, they were practically there (in Russian service and the area was a potential battlefield).

[104th_Crunch]

I am looking very much forward though to the MiG21, as well as the updated flight models for the Su27 and F15. Those jets with flight modelling equal to DCS A10C will go along way to adding something new. I can see myself getting back into things with these updates and the new MiG. Not to mention a lot of their work can go towards the FA18. Of course once the FA18 comes out, we can then bitch about the Russian jet counterpart not being released for use in DACT and mission simulations :)

 

About planes suitable for the current map available. Realistic scenarios can still be made, even if they are not historically accurate. For me it's all about the mission, and senario. I don't have to be necessarily re-enacting history for enjoyment.

Edited March 4, 2014 by Crunch

[The_Pharoah]

I'd prefer they push out a new map. I'm sure we're all sick to death of current map - I know I am. I'd prefer they make something that resembles the middle east (Iraq/Iran/Syria/etc) given the number of modern day wars that have happened there (where the a/c we use in DCS has been employed IRL...apart from say the KA50).

[Jimbolya]

Will the F18 have ground looking radar?

[Jimbolya]

Not to mention a lot of their work can go towards the FA18. Of course once the FA18 comes out, we can then bitch about the Russian jet counterpart not being released for use in DACT and mission simulations :)

 

 

Will the F18 have ground looking radar or just AtA?

[Jimbolya]

Will the F18 have ground looking radar or just AtA?

 

AN/APG-73[edit]

 

The APG-73 is a late 1980s "upgrade of the APG-65 that provides higher throughputs, greater memory capacity, improved reliability, and easier maintenance".[1] To reduce production costs, many of the upgraded radar's modules are common with the APG-70 (F-15) radar; its software engineers chose the JOVIAL programming language so that they could borrow and adapt existing software written for the APG-70. When fitted with a motion-sensing subsystem and stretch waveform generator and special test equipment, the APG-73 can generate high resolution ground maps and make use of 'advanced' image correlation algorithms to enhance weapon designation accuracy.

 

Since 1992 the APG-73 has been operational in U.S. Navy and Marine Corps F/A-18C and D aircraft; early models of the U.S. Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; and in the air forces of Finland, Switzerland, Malaysia, Canada, and Australia. A total of 932 APG-73 systems were delivered, with the final delivery in 2006.[2]

 

***as taken from the wiki***

[104th_Crunch]

Will the F18 have ground looking radar or just AtA?

 

It would stand to reason with the level of accuracy of past DCS products, that the DCS FA18 will have ground radar. As we know, no current released modules have ground radar modelling. So, there is a lot of hard work ahead I bet.

[Jimbolya]

It would stand to reason with the level of accuracy of past DCS products, that the DCS FA18 will have ground radar. As we know, no current released modules have ground radar modelling. So, there is a lot of hard work ahead I bet.

 

That's what i was thinking too, but would open up a slew of possibilities if there was at least one aircraft in the sim that a framework could be built off of.

 

cheers ~

[osram]

funny how this got moved to:

 

ED Forums » English » Reality » Chit-Chat » DCS World or Helicopter World

 

makes no sense at all.

[Snoopy]

funny how this got moved to:

 

ED Forums » English » Reality » Chit-Chat » DCS World or Helicopter World

 

makes no sense at all.

 

Really, I can understand why.

[outlawal2]

funny how this got moved to:

 

ED Forums » English » Reality » Chit-Chat » DCS World or Helicopter World

 

makes no sense at all.

 

 

Makes perfect sense. The whole thread has been nothing but chit-chat since it's inception... I am surprised it took this long

[Vampyre]

AN/APG-73[edit]

 

The APG-73 is a late 1980s "upgrade of the APG-65 that provides higher throughputs, greater memory capacity, improved reliability, and easier maintenance".[1] To reduce production costs, many of the upgraded radar's modules are common with the APG-70 (F-15) radar; its software engineers chose the JOVIAL programming language so that they could borrow and adapt existing software written for the APG-70. When fitted with a motion-sensing subsystem and stretch waveform generator and special test equipment, the APG-73 can generate high resolution ground maps and make use of 'advanced' image correlation algorithms to enhance weapon designation accuracy.

 

Since 1992 the APG-73 has been operational in U.S. Navy and Marine Corps F/A-18C and D aircraft; early models of the U.S. Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; and in the air forces of Finland, Switzerland, Malaysia, Canada, and Australia. A total of 932 APG-73 systems were delivered, with the final delivery in 2006.[2]

 

***as taken from the wiki***

 

From what I remember, ED is supposed to be working on the F/A-18C Lot 10 or 11 (the first night attack versions) which are equipped with the APG-65. Cortex is supposed to be working on an early lot F/A-18E Super Hornet with the APG-73 RADAR.

 

I personally think that the third party route was a good choice. The fact that the third parties are developing what they want to develop is good for the DCS brand. What some think are useless airframes in the context of what their opinion of what DCS should be is really just them selfishly trying to push the development in the direction they want it to go in. There are real limitations on DCS at the moment that serve to limit the types of aircraft that can be developed with any fidelity and until those barriers are broken progress on DCS level multirole aircraft is severely limited. The basic features such as multiple seat multiplayer and A/G radar are required to move forward with almost any modern multirole aircraft. Exceptions for ground attack would be aircraft like the Jaguar, MiG-23BN, MiG-27, Mirage F-1AZ and a number of others I'm not thinking of off the top of my head all of which do not have A/G RADAR. As far as fixed wing is concerned, single seat dedicated A/G or A/A platforms are the way forward at the moment but hopefully that will change within the next couple of years and we can get our grubby little hands on some truly outstanding multirole fixed and rotary winged modules. I don't mind having the different era aircraft in game because they all bring something interesting to the table and there is always going to be someone who has an interest in whatever module is released. Me, I want it all... The more the better.:thumbup:

[MudRat02]

Yeah its taken a while. If you'd started ab initio military flying training at the point that the first DCS fast jet module was announced, you could be flying real lead in fighter trainers right now...

 

Yeah it really is helicopter world.

[SkateZilla]

funny how this got moved to:

 

ED Forums » English » Reality » Chit-Chat » DCS World or Helicopter World

 

makes no sense at all.

 

It makes perfect sense

[Suchacz]

Yeah it really is helicopter world.

Nothing wrong here for me :D