Serp Supreme Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Greetings everyone. I'm sure many of you know that in the past ~5 years the US and multiple other air forces in the world have been equipping their pilots with Helmet Mounted Displays which allow them to see their HUD and I believe a few other things while looking away from the HUD itself. This has already been implemented in Falcon BMS, and it's a really cool feature. I'd like to know if we're getting one any time soon? Maybe not for the A-10 for obvious reasons but perhaps the in the F-15, or maybe the F-18 will have that upon its release? This post is protected by a pilot who has a serious lack of negotiating skills, but is absolute hell in a dogfight. If you do not belong here, please leave. You have now been properly negotiated with. MiG-29S Instant Action Mission Fix Come check out and add to my list of all landmarks in DCS World! ^that works now
WildBillKelsoe Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 What obviuos reasons for A-10? Being retired is a reason to implement it.. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Serp Supreme Posted January 6, 2014 Author Posted January 6, 2014 An obvious reason to me is something like the fact that it's a ground attack plane, therefore you don't exactly need the same off-bore sight capacity as, say, an F-16 would. If you've locked the target in the TGP, you're either going to have to fly directly over it anyway for bombs or you can already instantly aim a maverick at the target with a press of the button. From what I can see, there's no need in the 'hog. This post is protected by a pilot who has a serious lack of negotiating skills, but is absolute hell in a dogfight. If you do not belong here, please leave. You have now been properly negotiated with. MiG-29S Instant Action Mission Fix Come check out and add to my list of all landmarks in DCS World! ^that works now
OttoPus Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 It's a sim, visuals are 3D objects rendered with limited details at a limited distance. In real life, with optimal daylight with good weather, you don't have such limitations and the point made by tigersden is perfectly correct. BUT We are not in real life, and visual spotting of ground (and air) targets is very limited by graphics engine and viewport (monitor distance, dimension, resolution, etc) limitations. So that point makes less sense to me. My 2 cents :)
Griffin Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) An obvious reason to me is something like the fact that it's a ground attack plane, therefore you don't exactly need the same off-bore sight capacity as, say, an F-16 would. If you've locked the target in the TGP, you're either going to have to fly directly over it anyway for bombs or you can already instantly aim a maverick at the target with a press of the button. From what I can see, there's no need in the 'hog. I disagree. It would be a huge help in pointing the TGP quickly in the direction of a SAM launch for example. Even just this is really helpful in Ka-50. It would reduce the required maneuvering and give some additional freedom. Add some flight information to that and it would be awesome! Edited January 6, 2014 by Griffin
MTFDarkEagle Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Agreed, would be awesome, but not coming. At this point we are on avionics suite 3 (IIRC...) and the JHMCS is only from suite 7 (again, IIRC...). Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
ENO Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 From what I can see, there's no need in the 'hog. The Air Force disagrees. http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123339936 I got sniped a bit- and agree that though it would be awesome I doubt we'll see it any time soon. "ENO" Type in anger and you will make the greatest post you will ever regret. "Sweetest's" Military Aviation Art
ralfidude Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 An obvious reason to me is something like the fact that it's a ground attack plane, therefore you don't exactly need the same off-bore sight capacity as, say, an F-16 would. If you've locked the target in the TGP, you're either going to have to fly directly over it anyway for bombs or you can already instantly aim a maverick at the target with a press of the button. From what I can see, there's no need in the 'hog. Helmet mounted sights for the HOG are a GODSEND. No more need to park the nose of the A10 to place the TGP on a target. Don't know about you mate but look at this video (shameless plug I know), and tell me just HOW MUCH EASIER it would be to look off bore and automatically point at what you are looking at without turning in hot on it first. But no, we won't see it at all sadly. On the F-18 though... hmmm.... PS: A-10 won't be retiring till after 2024 was it? [sIGPIC]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/ralfidude/redofullalmost_zpsa942f3fe.gif[/sIGPIC]
siipperi Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Would be great but I think this has already been discussed on some thread that our A10 doesn't have suitable OS to run HMD.
PFunk1606688187 Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Anyone who says a helmet mounted sighting system wouldn't be useful to just about any military combat aircraft must not have played in many diverse situations. How can anyone have spent any time at all in an A-10C and not have found a moment when you were looking to your left or right and wished you could just tell the computer to slave the SPI to your eyeline? Random scenario #127, off the top of my head: Wingman, friendly helicopter, or ground unit says to you "they're in the town about 2 blocks NE of the stadium". You look out your window has you bank near the town and spot that stadium. With helmet mounted system you could tell the computer to look right where you see the stadium, get the TGP looking at it, break out of your potentially vulnerable orbit, as you reorient the aircraft you slew your TGP around and find targets. Friendly aircraft, or wingman is in a better position to begin engaging or put eyes on you just broadcast SPI and suddenly info passed verbally becomes hard target data you can feed to an IAM or to friendlies via datalink within a matter of seconds. Without helmet mounted system you have to start guessing. Move the TGP to some spot via a SPI you create on your TAD with that crummy low res map. Or you can fly straight at the point and put it in your hud to use that to put the TGP diamond on it. You fly away for 5 miles or more than as you do a gentle bank search fruitlessly with the TGP through the soda straw for the right spot. You fly in on the target area and mark with smoke and instruct all friendly aircraft to start looking for targets near there. Of the two which sounds better for everyone involved? Saying the helmet system is pointless is about as rational as saying that the entire C upgrade is pointless. All that said, we know we're never getting it, not in this life. Best not to even think about it if you can help it. :( Warning: Nothing I say is automatically correct, even if I think it is.
ENO Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Wonder if you couldn't set your track IR to slew the tgp with a switch / modifier of some sort... "ENO" Type in anger and you will make the greatest post you will ever regret. "Sweetest's" Military Aviation Art
Grigs Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 There is another big plus which I have seen mentioned yet: Navigation aid. Your waypoints are displayed in front of your eyes, whereever they are. It helps visualize. The target is visible eventhough there is a mountain in between. As well as in bad weather condition.
Ghostraider Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 the first who was implement an HMEC was the ah-64 why not implement in an a10-c. When you flying low and you have a ground threat its important to slew your TGP quickly on the threat to attack it as soon as possible. The next is you have all importen flight informations in sight when you move your head away fom the HUD and Intruments, The jet have an Radar to Identify Targets over long range. In CAS missions you have your eyes and the TGP [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]www.49th.de
gavagai Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 I enjoy Falcon BMS. At this point I feel naked without the JHMCS. How on Earth do you all get by without it in DCS? Is there no x-ray sidewinder in DCS? P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria
Ghostraider Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) it is the plan to integrate the sidewinder x in the a-10 also the sniper XR-POD The question is what ED like to implement in the simulation becouse it must be playable ( performance.....) Edited January 6, 2014 by Ghostraider [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]www.49th.de
PFunk1606688187 Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Wonder if you couldn't set your track IR to slew the tgp with a switch / modifier of some sort... Don't taunt me with half measures. Warning: Nothing I say is automatically correct, even if I think it is.
Ghostraider Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 i dont taunt you ! It was a good suugestion to slew the TGP with your Track IR but the HMEC delivers you more information do have in sight, looks like altitude speed, bearing, climb angle ....... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]www.49th.de
siipperi Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 it is the plan to integrate the sidewinder x in the a-10 also the sniper XR-POD The question is what ED like to implement in the simulation becouse it must be playable ( performance.....) I really doubt our warthog support those systems, atleast not sniper pod. And ofc ED would like to, but they can't if they don't have specs. ED is all about simulating stuff not half a'ed quessing.
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