upyr1 Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 hi, When the AFM SU-27 and F-15 are released do you think the add on would include the F-15E and Su-30 or just the single seat versions?
junae Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 Will ever be a SU27 & F15 AFM? :) =FN= Six o'Clock Member of Falcões da Noite Squadron Florianopolis :: Brazil
Weta43 Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 E.D. says yes, but I wouldn't hold my breath - or go on a hunger strike - or postpone any holidays. You could maybe put some money on term deposit & have a tidy nest-egg by the time it arrives. Cheers.
britgliderpilot Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 E.D. says yes, but I wouldn't hold my breath - or go on a hunger strike - or postpone any holidays. You could maybe put some money on term deposit & have a tidy nest-egg by the time it arrives. That's to the second question, by the way, not the first. ED have stated that they wish to upgrade the Flankers eventually, but no until after they've modelled the F-16 - I haven't seen a quote for the F-15, but at or after the Flankers would make sense. A flyable Strike Eagle or Su30 would be, at this point, complete speculation. I suppose it would be technically possible, but nobody from ED has ever mentioned it. We would be talking several years into the future here - the kind of timeframe where your plan can change entirely. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
SuperKungFu Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 i've been poking at this issue for about a year now and so far, no luck. We won't see AFM for the flanker until after ED reveal the F-16 sim (which will probably be 2-3 years down the line. I just hope ED would at least improve the 3d model of the Su-27 AND the F-15 in BS (but no luck on that either) :( [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Weta43 Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 Especially as they're throwing so many other high poly models in there anyway... Cheers.
SuperKungFu Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 Especially as they're throwing so many other high poly models in there anyway... lol yea! We have seen new missile, vehicles, and planes being added into blackshark. Why does the flanker and F-15 get neglected? Beats the crap out of me :icon_jook [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Andrew_McP Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 E.D. says yes, but I wouldn't hold my breath - or go on a hunger strike Hehe. Yes, that's very good advice. Maybe one day, but probably not before I retire in about 25 years' time and have arthritis so bad I can't fly any more. ;-) Andrew McP
Kula66 Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 Given that the 15/27 are the begining to look a tad jaded compared to the new AFM 25 and future Hokum, its a great shame they don't get a work over soon! Especially when so many of us still do primarily A2A! (Nothing against you mud movers BTW ... )
Caretaker Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 lol yea! We have seen new missile, vehicles, and planes being added into blackshark. Why does the flanker and F-15 get neglected? Beats the crap out of me :icon_jook Missile models are much easier to create because they aren't animated and don't need a damage model. The cylindrical base shape also helps a lot. And finally, some of the models are made by 3rd party developers. No question though, a new Flanker would be very welcome... Caretaker ED Beta Test Team
SuperKungFu Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 some of the models are made by 3rd party developers. exactly, strikemax was working on a beautiful (and i do mean BEAUTIFUL) flanker model but ED said they wanted to make their own. Now we hear that this "plan" is scheduled after the F-16 sim (several years down the line). So why discourage a model that was a work in progress that could have been finished by now and possibly implemented into BS. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Caretaker Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 exactly, strikemax was working on a beautiful (and i do mean BEAUTIFUL) flanker model but ED said they wanted to make their own. Now we hear that this "plan" is scheduled after the F-16 sim (several years down the line). So why discourage a model that was a work in progress that could have been finished by now and possibly implemented into BS. No offense to Strikemax, he certainly made some good progress. But there is no way the model could have been finished for 1.2. Look at the process of Il2/FB's 3rd party models, there's a whole bunch that took several years to get done (the Tempest that was just released finally was first shown when Forgotten Battles wasn't even available). There are also dozens of beautiful looking models that were abandoned when tweaking and adjusting was the only thing to do, which is just as time consuming but not nearly as exciting as the initial work, as you don't seem to make any real progress anymore. The same is true for the damage and LOD models, a lot of people just gave up at that stage. And that's a basic problem with 3rd party models, you cannot rely on them to get finished. So when ED want to have a revamped Flanker model in the sim one day, I think it's only fair that they announce this right away. Better than having someone work on the model for years, only to tell him then that they'll do it themselves. Caretaker ED Beta Test Team
MBot Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 I agree with Caretaker here. Il2/FB history has shown that a complete LOD00 model with finished textures means about 50% of the work done for the final model. The problem is that the second half of the work is not nearly as exciting ( LODs and damage models ) wich mean that many many projects were abondoned. I talk from personal expierience here too. Strikemax has shown very good WIPs and work way beyond my skills, but the model was very far from being complete. Just look at knells F1. It took him over one year to get it done and that was only the LOD00/DM00 part ! And without disrespecting his excellent work, it isn't quite in the league of ED's Su-25T or Ka-50. ED's quality levels are just incredible high. It makes perfectly sense for me that ED wants to make the important models themselfe where they can be sure that the model will be finished together with the correct quality.
SuperKungFu Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 alright i understand now thanks. So I'm assuming knellknell's work probably won't make it to 1.2. Right now we are in crunch with 1.2. Before including F1 that our artists must to make a damage model, animations for model and weapons and provide some textures improvements. I can't say when it will done, but we to do everything for finish this works. Since they have to add LOD as well as damage model..etc. And the 1.2 deadline is like next month or 2. And as for the other 3rd party models that will probably never see the light of day in Lock On, I'm assuming your talking about this? http://fox3.idv.tw/snitz_forums3405/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=70979&TOPIC_ID=7865&FORUM_ID=44 That's a shame, i just hope these addons will eventually get there. Maybe ED should host a tutorial on how to create damage models,LOD through 3d max/gmax. Maybe that would boost some progress (just a thought). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
StrikeMax Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 hehe, I almost forgot that I've been developing a flanker model until i read this thread. LODs are no problem. The real challenge_to me_is the damage model, mainly due to the lack of accurate "damage" pics and diagrams.
Shaman Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 I have a question to developers. Will ED's future products: 1. Ground attack sim 2. F-16 sim 3. some future Su-27+F15C sim be compatible and connectable with eachother via multiplayer ?? 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
SuperKungFu Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 o wow, i haven't heard from you strikemax in a long time. Hows it going? So i guess that flanker model is put to rest eh? Kinda sad but understandable. Could you post some pictures of that model just for kicks. Especially the nose of the aircraft since it's a lot better than what we have currently. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
StrikeMax Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 SuperKungFu, good to hear from you too buddy. Yes the model is put at rest for the time being. It used to consume ALL my free time I couldn't enjoy the sim itself. Now I have the time to Fly online (HL);) The last pic of the model Hosted is this one: https://www.sharemation.com/strikemax/public/pics/wip-19102005-closeup-text-j.jpg?uniq=-k220ea 1
SuperKungFu Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 awesome man, I just got 3d max 8 and i plan to learn how to use it when i get some free time. Hopefully i can create the same quality models as you. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
F l a n k e r Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 Hi StrikeMax, good to hear you again. I'm so sad for your model, because it's very beautiful. And we cannot have it!
Prophet_169th Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 I think maybe some confuse the Flight Model with the Graphic Model. I think the original question was regarding the Advanced Flight Model.
Jetfire Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 Yeah Strikemax, S! for all the hard work on that Flanker! I can only imagine how much time it took to make that. Does ED manually edit the models to reduce their LOD, or do they have software that does that automatically?
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