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Interesting, I’ll have to give that a try. I thought it could be a fuel issue, but then decided against it because I have managed to correct the roll in game without trim. I haven’t been able to correct it successfully 100% of the time, but I found that if I go from full burner straight to idle and then to whatever setting I want, it sometimes corrects it

From this great video, there are indeed 2 levels you can raise the handle to. He starts talking about it at 34:00. I recommend watching the whole thing, some great info in there

Which NATOPS? If I’m not mistaken, the NATOPS for F14s with DFCS does say to leave them all on. However, our F14 has the AFCS so this does not apply

Sounds good. Thanks for looking into it!

Better yet, DCS just needs to implement what SRS does into the core game. Not make us rely on 3rd party software

Yeah I can imagine going up against a F18 with JHMCS and the 9X to be a death sentence. BUT, the Tomcat is my baby and I am determined to find a way to win with it. That’s going to involve many hours of flying and viewing tacview files, but it’ll be fun!

I think part of the problem is the mystique of the F14. People have this tendency to view it as the ultimate dog fighter. I love the F14, it’s by far my favorite military aircraft. But I’ve tried to stay as un biased as I could and realize that it is not the holy grail. You have to really fly it smart and by the numbers. Granted, I have yet to fly the F14 PvP. So far it’s been like 90% case 1 work and the rest just flying around NTTR and doing the 1v1 guns only against the F16 instant action. From what I’ve learned so far, you cannot let the AoA get high in the F14. It will bleed speed like crazy and be a handful to control. Keeping it in the 300-400kt range and no more than 16-17 units AoA seems to be optimal. So far though, if I was able to fight myself in a 1v1 guns only, the version of myself flying the Hornet would have a much easier time winning I would think. The Hornet just has insane slow speed/high AoA handling and you can point the nose just about anywhere. I’m planning on finally getting on some servers this weekend to get some PvP going. I think the key will be to keep the fight as unfair as possible. Sneak up on targets, use the Tomcats power and speed to my advantage. DO NOT let myself getting slow, and not be afraid to bug out and love to fight another day

That crossed my mind at first and then I did some reading on the fuel system. The left indicator shows the left feed and aft tanks, the right indicator shows the right feed and fwd tanks. The right feed and left feed are only 100 pounds apart in capacity. The fwd and aft are 300. So you're looking at 100lbs difference laterally, I don't think that would be enough to really cause this roll. Plus, the roll doesn't occur until AB is engaged. Something with the AB is causing this it seems

So I tested it with joystick/rudder disconnected and used the keyboard to eliminate possibility of it being a hardware issue and attached a link to a youtube video I made of it

Thanks for the reply. I notice the differences in FF and EGT however it is the right engine every time, I have never seen the left have higher FF or EGT. As for hardware issue, if that was the case then it would roll left constantly. It holds perfect 0 bank flight until I go into afterburner. And it would happen with other aircraft. Doesn't happen with the Hornet or anything that I fly in XP11 or P3D. Here are the steps I have taken to eliminate hardware as a possibility 1) Entered massive deadzones in both the windows controller software and DCS controls menu 2) My controller software shows everything centered 3) I got into straight and level flight and cleared the roll/pitch/rudder axis in DCS, so my joystick and rudder pedals weren't mapped to the game 4) The ingame controller indicator shows everything centered And you can easily test this for yourself. Just takeoff in MIL power and trim for level flight. Go into afterburner and see if the aircraft rolls on its own after a few seconds

Here is a video I made showcasing this. I just uploaded it so it may be a bit until it can be viewed in higher quality

Yup, exact same power. RPMs are identical and the little control popup shows the throttles identical. Plus i only have 1 throttle axis for both throttles. If I dont engage afterburner the issue won't pop up during the flight. Going into AB is doing something to the controls. I will say, my right engine always has a higher fuel flow than the left. But the RPM indicator has them exactly the same. And I can't have differential throttles due to my single axis throttle. And if it was a differential thrust issue, the problem would show up even without AB at high power settings like MIL. But I can be in MIL until the fuel runs out and take my hands off the stick and the plane will hold 0 bank perfectly.

I managed to find someone on discord to try it out on his PC and he said he saw the same behavior. He was flying hands off level flight and then engaged after burner and after a little bit the aircraft started slowly rolling left.

I hesitated to add this to the bug forum because I wanted to eliminate any possibility of it being a hardware issue. And after spending the entire morning doing that, I am confident that it is not an issue with my hardware and it appears to indeed be a bug. I have been able to consistently reproduce this issue in the sim: 1) Take off from airfield in MIL power 2) Climb to whatever altitude, 10,000-15,000 in my case, and trim for level flight 3) Maintain 400kts or so and make sure the bank angle is as close to 0 as possible, and go hands off. The aircraft maintains 0 bank indefinitely 4) With hands off the stick, advance throttle to full AB. Let the plane accelerate and make only nose down trim inputs to maintain altitude. Shortly after passing Mach 1, around 1.2, the aircraft begins a slow left roll. And this continues, even when decelerating below Mach 1. And when looking at the inclinometer, you can see the ball every so slightly deflected to the left. It is right up along the left center line. Normally it is perfectly between the two white lines. This explains why below a certain speed, the roll reverses to the right. Because at high speeds, the aircraft rolls opposite the rudder input, in this case with the ball to the left, the aircraft has a slight yaw to the right and thus rolls left. And when slowing down the aircraft rolls into the yaw. And up until the last flight I just did, I have not been able to pinpoint how to eliminate the uncommanded yaw/roll. It would go away, but I wasn't sure why. And I just discovered that if I add rudder inputs and then neutralize the rudder, the ball will center and return to coordinated flight. But until the rudder is deflected, the aircraft will stay in a slight right yawed state. Something else I noticed about AB engagement. When engaging AB and paying close attention to the yaw, you can see the aircraft slightly yaw when AB is engaged. And I remember reading that you guys modeled the AB engaging at slightly different times on both engines, thus explaining the yaw because of slightly differential thrust. However, it appears that engaging AB somehow throws in a permanent slight right yaw movement that stays until the rudders are used and the inclinometer returns to center. Again, I eliminated all possibility of hardware issues. I have done flights where I trimmed for level flight and the aircraft flew perfectly with zero yaw/roll. I went into the control menu and cleared my rudder/pitch/roll axis and engaged AB, and sure enough the yaw to the right appeared.

Ok, so i think i may have narrowed this down. Now the question, is this something only on my end? I just did a flight, it lasted about 5 minutes. Clean aircraft, no tanks. Took off from nellis in MIL power, turned north and climbed to 15,000. Trimmed it out for level flight and bank stayed 0. I went to full AB and sure enough, right around mach 1.2 a uncommanded roll to the left began. I'm going to do some more testing and pinpoint if the issue is length of AB engagement or speed. If anyone has the time, could they try replicating this? Just trim for level flight and go full AB and see if the plane begins to roll?

So I was up last night for about an hour driving myself nuts trying to get to the bottom of this. Doing miles and miles of straight and level flight and carefully watching the VDI. I would take off from nellis with tanks only, climb up to 15,000 or so and test. I found some strange things. There was one flight where I made sure to avoid any kind of high G load. The highest G from that flight was around 5. The idea of this flight was from the fact that this slow left roll is after extended AB usage in dogfighting. So I trimmed her out straight and level, and it held 0 bank indefinitely. Now, when I went full burner and got above around Mach 1.2 a slow left roll showed up. I decelerated below mach 1 and sill, the plane was rolling. The control indicator was showing neutral stick/rudder/roll trim indications. I even went into the controls menus and removed the pitch and roll axis. I added huge deadzones both in DCS and the joystick software. Nothing. And what’s interesting, is that after decelerating to below 250 or so and working the throttles through the full range, I was able to get the rolling to stop. Not with any consistency though, it would just kind of go away on its own. I don’t think it’s anything speed related because I first noticed the problem after doing the instant action fight with the F-16 on NTTR, and I never got above Mach 1. The only consistent thing I can pin down is prolonged AB use. It’s very strange. I even managed to get a slow roll to the right last night, up until then it was always left. Not even sure what I did to get that. Again, this was on the flight where the most G I pulled was 5 or so. Is anyone else seeing anything like this?

That’s what I assumed it was, it’s just odd that it’s only to the left. If it was overstressing the frame I would think it could happen on either side, depending on which direction I was pulling

I've noticed that after dogfights or pulling heavy G's that the aircraft has a slow uncontrolled roll to the left. I have done numerous tests to rule out some kind of controller calibration issue. But when I start a flight without any heaving maneuvering, without any roll trim I can go hands off indefinitely and the bank will stay at 0. When the uncommanded roll is present I added massive deadzones to my stick and rudder and the roll is still there. Always to the left. It is not a asymmetrical load issue as during all my tests I only had external tanks and nothing else. I tested it on flights without touching trim to rule out some kind of inadvertent roll trim. I brought up the in game control display, and everything is zeroed out. So is this perhaps a feature of the module? That heavy G loading will "warp" the airframe or something? Anyone else getting this?

This isn't official, but from what it looks like, I think they are 10,20,30,45,60. Which is pretty standard for most aircraft.

I feel the need... Congrats to the HB team!!!!

Give me a call, I’ll fly with you

I would think it has a bigger gimbal range to pick up and track a target?

Not sure on it having an AA mode. But regardless, the aircraft has the TCS so AA mode with LANTIRN would be redundant

Man, some people need to chill out! Like Chembleton said, there is a whole world out there outside of the computer and DCS

I'm sure it will be. I wonder if there even are any sticks out there with a thumb wheel that is spring loaded to center?