Rongor

This is highly individual. Don't see why you would trim for keeping only minor adjustments. It's not like you want to take your feet off the pedals. Your whole argument is basically saying all steering adjustments have to do with the force trim release. Regarding your ED beta testers tag line, I find that highly problematic. Beginners will deem your comments more credible than others, so you create a lot of confusion by your words. I really hope you don't test helos.

no you don't. You use your feet to set the pedals. And if you are annoyed by having to stress your feet that long, you may of course use force trim release, just like in any other situation you wanna ease your physical input for stability. Other than this, there is no connection at all

this addresses flight attitude and is connected to the trim ball. Please allow me to not answer this here because it has nothing to do with force trim and also it is no mode at all.

If you trimmed wrong and there is no time to correct the trim because you don't even have an idea in which direction you are wrongly trimmed, a trim reset would be the quickest and safest way. If you have the controls indicator box open, you could do this yourself of course, but this could also require too much time, for example in case one axis is trimmed to one end, and you have to trim it back towards center and can't achieve this in a single trim attempt. No this is exactly not what they are asking for. It's in fact the centered position of your joystick. Other DCS helos have it. What you are describing is trimming, not trim cancelling nor reset and was never in DCS.

Right now, in the Apache, there is no trim reset. People are wishing for it as a quality of life option. The purpose is to cancel out the trim situation back to controls at center zero. So your centered controls hardware would return to represent ingame-aircraft controls which didn't receive any trimming so far, just as as they are when you start the aircraft up in DCS. Sometimes, especially with few practice, you end up with a trim you just wanna get rid off fast.

You are correct, yet presets are selected via the EUFD

I see, actually that is true. Probably an early access thing but could be worth a bug report.

Well, flying with the CI for some time would make you stop developing wild assumptions what the FTR is good for and when you better shouldn't use it.

The CI shows you that your whole idea of whipping it around like a sports car has nothing to do with holding down the FTR. And as you figured out yourself, poses nothing but a risk during maneuvering. So don't do that.

It doesn't. At no time does he claim it's already implemented. The manual also doesn't.

Ok, so now you are claiming a continuous force trim release affects steering inputs. Please just stop. Use the CI as @agamemnon_b5 recommended and notice how your 'advice' does exactly nothing. I would strongly recommend not to do this. You risk accidently letting go the FTR button while you are in your 'evasive maneuvers', then you'll enter a world of pain because your controls will do nothing until centered.

As long as it isn't documented we have no idea whether it works. We only know that pressing the button has some effect, for example the status window box being displayed around the TAS and the disengage button making the box go away. There even seems to be some effect on the flight but everything else is pure assumption. the only thing not waiting for stuff to be implemented is the FTR and the disengage. Since we can not even select an attitude hold mode, which per the manual is a precondition, it seems a far stretch to claim "it works" and I would prefer people to stop putting their assumptions out as if they were facts. Then this thread might be a lot shorter

No aircraft is operated with any kind of standard frequency valid for that aircraft. You use a frequency to communicate with somebody. You will have to know which frequency he is monitoring. Be it a tower of an airfield, your wingmen, ground forces, air traffic control, who knows. There is no standard. Can you be a bit more specific what you are looking for?

Yeah I understood you right away, I only mentioned the keybind to avoid misunderstandings. I didn't know it had a clickspot. couldn't even find it so far

Maybe you should have stopped way earlier. This thread is overloaded with false assumptions and misconceptions inducing ever more confusion.

If you fly that way, then you have to learn how to fly a helo from zero. Simply apply right pedal gradually until your nose points somewhat in the direction of travel. Don't accept the roll attitude either. Also this is has nothing to with force trim. It's just bad flying.

No it's not, you are mixing up five different things. 1. This thread is addressing Force trim in it's title. This is the mechanic of easing your controls to some kind of centered/force-balanced state 2. Depending on the wind situation, you generall may want to steer in a way to either achieve an intended ground track (nose off of desired track to achieve a speed vector which combined with the wind vector lets you arrive at a destination on a straight line) or to keep a specific heading (nose pointing towards a target, launch rockets in longitudinal direction) 3. The trim ball has nothing to do with force trim. The force trim release's only purpose is to set your current steering inputs as the new 'center' to ease your control inputs. 4. whenever the trim ball is out of the center (disregard slow speeds close to hover, the ball isn't made for that and can be ignored in these occasions) you are moving through the air mass in a way that applies more vane effect on the one side of the helo than on the other. So you use pedal, this has nothing to do with point #2 5. yes, the wind vane effect of *forward speed* does support counter torque. No it doesn't seem to be what is described. Flying with 20° yaw and 10° roll constantly has nothing to do with aerodynamic trim nor with necessary countertorque. Flying with 20° offset is ridiculously beyond necessary values.

The faster you go, the more wind vane effect will support you countering the main rotor torque. So you'll need more rudder, the slower you go. You will barely find a trim position not needing rudder inputs after a few seconds, so (while I do trim the rudder too) I can understand people simply not trimming it as they will have to give rudder input aynway and maybe you don't want to trimm all the time. If the necessary pedal work doesn't strain your feet and right hand and arm too much, you can fly this helo very well without using the trim at all. No, a constant yaw at about 20 degrees to the left just to go in a straight line is certainly not connected to a helo's aerodynamics and not needed to counter torque. 20° yaw offset may be necessary to achieve a desired ground track during a storm. In any other case the dude at the controls should take flying lessons.

It's related by the title you gave this thread

While I can agree to the unquoted rest of your argument in this very post you made, these quoted words above hopefully will never be a guideline for the simulation depth of this great and unique study sim.

can you click the HDU turning up or away (keybind I) ?

To be fair and while the manual is showing a western longitude on page 195 as an example, the manual is expecting the reader to know that the earth is a sphere and therefore has 360° and not only 199.9° of longitudes encircling it. So it doesn't really matter if the manual presents an example of east or west longitude. If you don't want to cutoff the North American Pacific coast and the land mass west of Texas and all Asian lands east of Bangkok, so probably the majority of world's population with most of mainland China, Japan, Australia, Singapore and most of Indonesia, you need more than 99.9° of longitude east and west... Hence you need 3 digits of longitude and only 2 for latitude (as the poles are at 90°)...

Did it several times. Don't forget the longitude having to feature 3 digit degree in the front. This is what you would have to enter as coordinates for Beslan airport: N431251E0443534

a trackfile, seriously... baroset.trk

Ok, so far I have a trackfile showing aux tanks on the outer stations. Selecting them doesn't fill the little circles at their respective MPD buttons. Inner stations were occupied with weapons. Or are external tanks on outer stations simply unavailable if there aren't any at the inner stations as well? auxfuelouter.trk