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Ah, I see. You miss the constant little digs made by Tomcatmcduwee, most of which I ignore, but if I return in kind it is "trolling" There is no rule about keeping mods to yourself, sir, at least not on the forum board. If someone made an ARMAT mod tomorrow they would have every right to post it here (although I would feel sorry for what they would have to put up with) and before you get harsh with me for giving the other dude a taste of his own medicine, remember he popped in on the Aim 9 Mod thread to do nothing but gripe at other people using it. That is actual "trolling" I guess that is because he agrees with you, and I don't. What facts have I ignored? I've said multiple times I don't care if the ARMAT was used on the M-2000C. I've said multiple times adding it is no more or less immersion breaking than non-french liveries (a point yet to be refuted) and I have ALSO said that if their is no way Razbam can do a realistic launch sequence or operation then so be it. Seems you have ignored some things here, not I. The need to circle the wagons with the vocal view who don't like this is beyond me. If someone made a thread about a weapon on the plane that I didn't want, my response would be far more limited. Oh well, I guess it's a purism addict thing. Forget it, I am out. I planned on being done with the thread anyway since we haven't been allowed to actually discuss the missile very much, and spent more time talking about DCS becoming war thunder. I'll leave you guys to discuss how the ARMAT will turn DCS into a arcade game overnight, and spam responses to anyone who disagrees within 30 seconds of their post :lol: I guess you must have missed my above post? Not surprising, that would have required you to actually read my thoughts before launching off half-cocked personal digs. . . Doesn't seem to be your thing I suppose.

You sure you can handle me having a mod? Based on your freak out in the AIM-9 mod thread and all somehow doubt it. . . :megalol: I love the "OMG DCS WILL BE WAR THUNDER!!!" crowd. In addition from my real world flying week in and week out, I spend hours a week on a sim where it takes 10 minutes to start the A-10 just to be told I don't care about realism by some cat who acts like he knows me (despite 90 percent of his "quotes" of me to be either completely self generated or inaccurate) :lol: This thread... It all started so nice and then the nay sayers came along. God help the guy who just started the MICA thread!

Totally agree! Can't wait for development to get rolling on this thing. I would say finish the M-2000C first but the amount of fixes on the RAZBAM internal build instills great confidence in me, so if they can do both at once I say go for it!

Bummer... What was gained by sacrificing the cannon? Anything besides less weight? LOL! Awesome Awesome anacdote, thank you for that! I think that sums up how the Viggen looks perfectly... It's beefy yet elegant look is growing on me by the day, I just can't wait to see LNS rendition of this bird. They really picked a winner with this aircraft, it is going to bring so much more to this sim

Wohoo! Keep on pulling ahead, GR9! I was worried the AV-8B would win

You of all people have an issue with someone cherry picking your post? LOL :megalol: Using your own words to demonstrate how rediculous that reasoning is.... No. Because the MICA was not hung on a M2000C/E to my knowledge, yet the ARMAT was. I'm done with this topic, as some of those opposed to this just don't want to be rational. Razbam has stated they are still considering it, so that is good enough for me.

Oops... Too late, looks like thanks to the A-10 you've been playing "digital combat fantasy" all this time. Better get to work on the uninstall then.

It is definitely a cluttered mess right now. The launch warning isn't as important to me as just being able to read it.

I won't lie guys, I spent the last few days cheating with the hot new French thing that's been all the rage, but last night I hopped back into my MiG cockpit and realized it is still the plane for me... Until the next LNS product ;) There is a lot of really good modules for this sim, but this bird tops them all without breaking a sweat! Thanks for all the work that went into the product, and that you will do in the future!

That seems like a fine way to kill yourself... I don't think it was that you lacked guts, but rather had too much sense

Mentions what? All I ever hear for the MiG is high praise, same for my friends some of which recently bought it based on how great of a module it is. It certainly ranks as one of the best. If you are talking about the Grom I've never heard or seen anyone either not buy or been told not to buy the MiG because it has the Grom lol, and I personally love the Grom and have had a lot of fun with it despite the couple of people I've seen on the forums complain about it (who don't even own the MiG IIRC). Oh well, to each their own. I am just glad to hear Razbam is still considering it after they do the other weapons that I am also looking forward to using!

The MiG 21s emergency procedures dictate to keep the centerline tank in the event of a main gear landing (provided it is empty!!!) so I bet a similar procedure exists

What are you talking about? All I see on the first page was guesstimation as to what the symbology meant.

Fair enough, although I think the ARMAT is in use with M2000Es but I haven't looked into it personally, but ask yourself this- How will the ARMAT being included harm (no pun intended) your experience, as a purists who never even needs or will be required to so much as strap it to the plane versus how will it impact people who may actually buy this aircraft simple because it is SEAD capable. Something to consider!

Interesting. I haven't researched it and I find it surprising no public data can be found, but I stand corrected. None the less, the RWR and other systems you mentioned are guesstimation, which is totally fine for a sim that cannot access classified data, so I for one would be perfectly satisfied with a WAGuess ARMAT! I hope the ARMAT will be something you guys eventually decide to incorporate! Thanks for the response, I love this aircraft! I am also very excited for the BLG and the BAP-100! I still see that as a double standard. If it is ok to guesstimate for a critical system like the RWR, then so much more so for a limited role weapon like the ARMAT that doesn't even have to be used. I have heard the weapon WAS fired off the aircraft, which makes it far from a fantasy weapon system. If this isn't OK for the ARMAT then we should rip the RWR and other simulated systems right out of the aircraft, and ditch the non french liveries... This is a sim, we aren't flying the real plane (sadly!) and we just can't have classified documents for systems like the RWR and apparently missiles like the ARMAT. We are still getting an experience that is mind blowingly good and would have been the subject of our wildest dreams 20 years ago.

You know, after diving into the plane and spending hours reading about it and looking at tons of pictures, I still cannot decide if it is hideous or beautiful, but I love it either way!

Pretty significant differences. I use the EAB regularly in combat. Love that the plane (MiG 21) is equipped with it. Everyone is more than aware that the M2000C and MiG 21Bis are not contemporaries. It is indeed repeated (FAR too) often on these forums. That being said, no full fidelity or even flyable F-16A is in the sim, and the MiG 29A is far less popular than the MiG 29S which in my estimation (flying both quite a bit) is superior to the M-2000C. Also the MiG 29S is not full fidelity so that gives an advantage to the plane with the easier operation. The MiG 21 and Mirage 2000 turned into unofficial rivals as they are the only two full fidelity interceptor/fighters in the sim, and probably the MiG 21 is the aircraft which the current M-2000C has the best chance fighting against. Mix that with the sim being full of seasoned MiG 21 jocks who love a challenge, and you end up with servers like the MiG 21 vs M-2000 server, and lots of comparisons stemming from that. I do not see the reason for coming into a 30 page discussion about the two aircraft, and essentially telling us to cease the discussion because the MiG 21 and M-2000C were not rivals (like it is news to us :lol:)

No bashing intended here, my feedback is given out of a sincere desire to see Aviodev succeed, but I think a respectful and honest dialogue about it is helpful and needed. Thanks for the reminder of course. I don't intend on violating the rules.

Two more pods would be great, since the rockets are tack drivers on this bird. I thought it odd it couldn't carry them on the outer pylons but maybe that is how it is. I am very curious as to what those PCA commands mean

True, and that is why I think Aviodev needs to majorly bump up the communication level. Even if nothing was done but coding, tell us about it... What was coded? You could easily make a post out of that. I can't speak for ED, but I have to say that from my perspective it would (IMO) be irresponsible to customers to allow a pre sale from Aviodev on any future product unless very substantial proof can be made to the aircraft being finished in a timely manner. It would be different if Aviodev said they were not sure if/when a EFM could be done (Before selling!) and asked a lower price, but when EFM was stated to be coming very close behind the first release it was enough for people in my postition to pull the trigger when we probably would have waited in the former case.

Gr9 seems to be, by far, the better strike aircraft so that is where my vote went!

Well I certainly hope that is not the case, maybe I give too much credit, but I guess that could be a possibility. Yea... Maybe help them Virtual Patriots/L-39 style if we don't see something soon :/

Assuming WHAT? No one but Razbam knows what source documents or SMEs they have access to, and if you do then prove it. Check this out dude and think about it carefully- saying I/we do not know what source documents Razbam has or hasn't is actually the OPPOSITE of assuming... Now I'm the one experiencing a "megalol" And like I said, I would be surprised if no one can find out how the ARMAT was fired at least on the E model. Even if know one on god's green earth can find out, it would be far from the only thing on this or other aircraft that is subject to part or total guesstimation.

A very fair valid statement, and one I think should be foreboding to Aviodev, especially if they intended on doing planes after the C101. That it why emphasize that they REALLY need to think about going the extra mile, as in way behond Razbam and other Devs who have solid communication in a attempt to manage the pretty serious PR problem that has been developing as a result of this module. I buy every module for this sim because I eat it up, and love the sim, but I have to admit that even I am very concerned I won't be buying another product from this and one other dev until they product is/ever becomes 100 percent complete. Not easy for me to say but it is where I am at sadly. If Aviodev hired me tomorrow as their PR guy (and I'm not speaking out of my depth here, I have some PR experience) the first thing I would do is launch live streams, weekly news letters with detailed development information, giveaways and community incentives, ask the dev streams or threads with highly active communication and try to repair the loss of faith in this situation by setting a very open and positive tone. What I certainly would not do is allow sparse and vague communication which often plagues a couple of the 3rd parties

Probably true, and we already know the antics of Dassault to some degree (M-2000 instead of Mirage 2000 :/) so I don't know how easy they would be to deal with.