Barrett_g

Isn't it common to open a door/canopy before you crash land so that in the event of fuselage crumpling the doors/canopies won't jam? That would make it interesting if you belly in and forget to crack the canopy and then you can't get out.

Well the Spitfire guys got a couple screenshots released... What do we have to do to get a couple P-47 screenshots?

Yes.... But for the wrong octane. We'll want the figures upped a bit if we want a properly modeled 1944 pigeon.

Those are definitely bubbletop jugs!

Another Facebook find: https://www.facebook.com/aircorpsaviation These people are getting ready to excavate a P-47 crash. A few interesting videos on their page. If you like their page you can follow along.

Came across this on Facebook... Thought it was neat!

I really hope DCS can model the P-47's diving and zoom climbing abilities.... It's going to be crucial for P-47 ops. I hate playing other sims/games and finding that a FW-190 or BF-109 can stay on my tail while I dive full throttle.

I would try to avoid a "flat" scissors. Instead of rolling 90 degrees and pulling right... Then rolling 180 degrees and pulling left I'd mix it up and swing below the horizon.... That way the Spitfire couldn't get a few "pot shots" off at you as he changes direction...swing a few degrees below the horizon also puts you in a steeper and steeper dive each time... Which lets you gain speed and extend.... Gotta use all the planes of the axis.

I'm sure it's been posted in here before but it's always worth another watch!

Didn't realize it... This year marks the Thunderbolt's 75th birthday!

lol! Yeah I read some of the reviews on it and everyone tends to agree with you there!

Hmmm... Looks like I found another P-47 book to add to my collection! :thumbup:

I think what your forgetting is that the N is 576lbs heavier (conservatively... I think it weighs more). In addition to the added 576lbs (or more) you have to factor in the weight of the landing gear, hydraulics, machine guns, ammo, aileron linkages, and ailerons all being shifted further away from the fuselage. That's a LOT of weight being pushed out towards the wing tips that would have a negative impact on roll rate. Kind of like how an Olympic figure skater tucks her arms in to spin faster and holds her arms out to spin slower. Yes the P-47N has a slightly improved wing loading, bigger aileron area, and squared off (clipped) wing tips to improve roll rate... But it doesn't improve roll rate BEYOND the late model D's and M's... It simply is trying to regain the performance lost when the tanks were added out of necessity for its long range escort mission criteria.

You have to remember that the P-47M was designed as a sprinter to catch Nazi buzz bombs and the emerging threat of new jet fighters. The P-47N was designed to escort the B-29 to mainland Japan. Unfortunately, most websites give a glossed-over account of P-47 development and don't fully explain everything. When it comes to the P-47N most websites say that it's got the most powerful radial engine, bigger fuel tanks, and clipped wings to improve roll rate. It's easy for someone to read those statements and believe the P-47N could fly faster, longer, and was more maneuverable than any previous P-47. Unfortunately, to confuse the matter even more, most websites will just copy and paste off another website... So after finding 10-15 accounts of the same thing... These falsities are further concreted as truth. You have to remember that when building the N model, they didn't just add fuel tanks to the D model. It needed a whole new wing. They added 2 feet at the base of the wing to add room for fuel tanks. Fuel tanks and lines are heavier (even when empty) and require structural bracing for the added weight. The bracing also adds weight. The added two feet at the wings base moved the landing gear further apart. This made for even better ground handling due to a wide (more stable) stance.... However, this also called for wing reinforcements, which added weight. With a longer wingspan and added weight that was spread along the wing, they found the P-47N had a reduced roll rate, so they clipped the wings and enlarged to ailerons to improve the lost roll-rate. While the P-47N had the best engine offering (same engine used in the P-47M) it had to lug around a lot of added weight. Here's a good reference on P-47N specs: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/p-47n-88406.html What I like about this reference: Its the USAAF. They've received the P-47N after hearing all of Republic's "hype" and are testing it against Republic's technical orders to see if the real world data matches. You'll see notes in this reference where the USAAF says some figures need to be adjusted. Here's the Summary: The P-47 N airplane has performance and handling characteristics very similar to the early P-47 airplanes, but due to heavier weights caused by greater fuel capacity, performance is lower when using equal power settings. The rate of roll is slower, due to the weight being farther from the longitudinal axis of the airplane.

The P-47M was the hot rod of the P-47 class. It had the highest horsepower engine stuffed into a standard P-47D airframe. The P-47N was basically a P-47M, with 2 feet of extra wing added to it for additional fuel tank room. This increased the range so it could island hop in the pacific. The extra length of wing slowed the P-47N's roll rate considerably, so they "clipped" the wing tips to regain some of the lost roll rate. The P-47N was a great airframe, it filled its role and it did well in the Pacific (I hope DCS releases one someday).... But performance-wise the M could out roll and out climb the N.

Guess we'll need the 20mm loadouts for the P-47 to even the playing field! Can you imagine 8x50cals an 2x20mm!!!

+1!!! I need a new wallpaper!

I don't know about you guys but I sure could use a WIP screenshot!

This was on Facebook.... Let's see if it works here: https://m.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/just-jugs.html/2

I wonder if more 3rd party developers will transition to WW2 aircraft? It seems like a no-brainer to me! In the time it takes you to develop one "current-gen" aircraft with missile detectors, radar, guesstimated avionics (classified obstacles), etc.... A team could have pumped out 3 or 4 WWII models. The systems are just so much more simple. This makes WWII aircraft more lucritive, and the popular ones will start getting snatched up quickly!

Yeah I didn't know about the poll either... I just pop in and check the WWII section to look for any new news regarding the P-47.... Anyways... Looks like a dynamic campaign is the highest request.... And that benefits us all... WWII, Korea, Vietnam, or present day.

Right now all the fighters have their strengths and weaknesses... But over all... They're pretty much on equal ground. Add bombers to the mix and it'll force the fights up higher in elevation while forcing the Germans to switch to the larger caliber, slower firing, cannons. These load outs are specific for taking down lumbering bombers and are not very good against nimble fighters. This scenario is realistic... But tips the advantage to the allies side.... Not sure how "fun" it would be for the axis players. I'm not really sure having axis bombers would be very realistic in a 1944 setting... And the allied fighters don't have (realistic) heavy cannon loadouts to take down axis bombers like the axis had.... Creating another inequality that may not be "fun." I think bombers should be included.... And would be fun... For coop missions... But I don't see it panning out well for competitive multi missions.

Plus 1944 wind is totally different than today's wind! ;)

Eflite UMX P-47: http://www.horizonhobby.com/umx-p-47-bl-bnf-basic-eflu3250 Eflite Thunderbolt: http://www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/foam-frenzy-2/park-flyers-indoor/p-47d-thunderbolt-bnf-basic-efl6850

This is the Eflite UMX P-47. It's about the smallest P-47 on the market. It's pretty detailed for a small plane. The gear don't retract, but are removable. I'd also suggest the other Eflite P-47.... I think it's got a wingspan of 42 or 44 inches... Can't remember off the top of my head. It's considered a "park flyer" sized plane. It comes with flaps and retracts... Though the tail wheel doesn't. It's flight characteristics more than make up for that though... It's probably the best flying P-47 on the market... It flys like its on rails. I can point it in a specific direction, take my thumbs off the sticks and it flies straight and true. I modded mine to have a retractable tail wheel and a bigger engine... But I crashed it and I'm in the process of rebuilding it... Don't show boat when your only a couple feet off the ground!!! Lol!