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Maybe I missed it and it's written somewhere, but do the 2 fans of the CPU cooler work LEFT-->RIGHT ( the other way round than normal ) or do they push air RIGHT-->LEFT as this would cause a less than optimal airflow with the rear fan? If your board has a Temp Probe connector, get a Thermistor cable and measure the temp at various places while you game. If the airflow is suboptimal it can lead to dead pockets where you have kind of stale air that actually only gets whirled around but not exchanged. The CPU cooler might be not enough for heavy all core workloads and stress testing, it lacks the mass and surface vs. a dual tower, but for gaming on a few cores with less than 100% load per core I dont think it matters. Before I would spend money on a DIY loop for the CPU, I would loop the GPU, makes 10x more sense these days. They burn 300w, the CPU is 50-80w, peanuts.
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Wow, I am amazed how known and well used it already is. So, 2020 !.... and I thought I read enough IT news every day to not miss such goddies...lol...this wheel is spinning fast. I have to say, when it comes to Ad blocking, I dont need any additional extension as it blocks YT ads by default ( my #1 priority ) and the other sites look great too, filtered down to the last damn ad. The simplicity is great, I only needed LastPass and done. I have also only found 1 site it won't open, a client's IP-Phone WebGUI from Grandstream, those won't open with Brave. Yeah, installed on all machines, Win, Linux, Mac and going to bring it to clients as well.
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A friend informed me about this new browser, based on Chromium as usual, that by default blocks all ads, incl. YT Ads, and much much more. I am using it for 2 weeks now and I must say, excellent. If you want a browser that doesnt need Adblock XYZ etc... try Brave Browser www.brave.com
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Ryzen 7000 PBO2 tuning temp/power drops
BitMaster replied to AngleOff66's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
Well, the whole story reads like what you say....and then "DON'T glue the Spreader back on !!!" It will need to be Direct-Die cooled I personally delidded, and glued back the IHS, on my 8700k and it still runs great every day as my HTPC with a Noctua fan meanwhile. With this, you really need to think twice. If you have ever worked on AMD Thunderbirds back in the day, oh oh, you know that those dies don't like any mishaps, not even the slightest. I smoked one with the first push of the button. I'll never forget that smell and grey smoke. Der 8auer's video is nice, seen it, but boy, there are many many tiny little parts everywhere. If one goes blingggg...ooops...you are screwed. It makes it interesting, rewarding if successful and thrilling all at once, just don't mess it up. Never, when you work with the CPU and cooler ! -
After the hardware... the software...
BitMaster replied to Lange_666's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
I wouldn't bother manually overclocking the CPU. Enable PBO2 and when it asks, CPU or Mobo limits, say CPU, that will limit the power draw to the TDP listed by AMD and not the higher values from Gigabyte ( duration of peak power and max Amp limit ). For the GPU-Aid. I used a Balsa stick from my Balsa stock ( yes, I used to build Balsa R/C planes, I guess I am old ) and cut it as long as needed. Any Pencil will help for now, cut it to length and see if it helps. I could lower temps by 10°C just by lifting it level with the finger. Instant drop of temp. Even if your temp doesnt suffer due to the hopefully better internal structure of the EVGA card it still helps the slot. -
After the hardware... the software...
BitMaster replied to Lange_666's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
Sh!t happens ! call yourself lucky, you didn't drop the whole damn thing or fried the CPU, broke some LGA pins or spilled a Coke over the GPU, all would be way worse. When I did one of my rigs back in 2015 with the then new MoRa-3 ext. radiator, I accidently mis-connected the 4 180mm fans. When I turned it on 1st time, SMOKE...ehhhh dang. Turned out lucky, only 4 Fans, 50€, and a fan hub, 10€ an 5 days waiting for replacement. Shortly after I spilled hot coffee with milk and sugar all through the tower, top to bottom, through the GPU ( ugly mess ) while it was ON. Pulled the plug, took it ALL apart, bought special cleansing cans to spray-clean the PCBs...lots of work...but nothing broke, just a shock and lots of work. Ever since, my tower sits on top of my table, no more coffee from top to bottom HAHA. Call it a day, you sacrificed a door panel ! If the rest works as intended it's still a good day. Could have been way way worse. -
Ohhh, Phanteks case....ehhh if that case has an LED controller, DON'T connect it to Gigabyte boards !!!! THAT was till today the only issue I had with my rig until I found out those 2 are incompatible ( newer Phanteks devices seem to have this fixed ). They don't show the Gigabyte Logo in that matter, compatible to "most" boards, Asus, MSI...but no GB. If it's connected, it wont boot. EDIT: yours is a NEW one, it is Gigabyte compatible and shows the Logo from GB ! anyway, better safe than sorry
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Top Job
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After the hardware... the software...
BitMaster replied to Lange_666's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
Clean build, nice to look at. You reverted the airflow back to front and top to front? As long as it stays cool I guess it should work but I would turn it around. I dont think the CPU rad will produce much hot air during gaming, rather use the natural way of hot air flowing up. Anyway, if it works I guess it's ok. If I was you, support the GPU. It really hangs downward. I had that on 2 of my cards and one of them it also heavily induced cooling issues as the card itself bent too muchand cold plate-PCB did bend away from each other. Put a stick under the point where it reads XCS at the far edge of the card. Watch temps under load before and after. I didnt believe it either until I tried it. It also supports the socket/mobo. I meanwhile run my card with a riser cable vertically mounted, just because of the weight and bending...and it looks great too. Is the RAM working OK now ? I wouldnt consider manual oc'ing the CPU, enable PBO with CPU default TDP. YOu can gain a few % with manual per core undervolting but it's a PITA when you find out every other Bios upgrade ruins your config..LoL I gave it up and my CPU stops at 144w. It can pull 220+w and do 5.05GHz single cores for a splitt second and maybe 200MHz more all core but the gain is minimal for gaming purpuses. Actually, that makes it easy to call it a day and forget overclocking the CPU manually. It also hardly ever goes into the ~70°C under stress. -
After the hardware... the software...
BitMaster replied to Lange_666's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
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What Power Supply for 4090?
BitMaster replied to durka-durka's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
Well, that specific PSU is one made for that so it does come with the 16+4-Pin cable, ATX 3.0 specs and all that. But listen, even then and ONLY then you will encounter the melted connectors. Adapter cables top out at 450w and likely won't not melt away as the 600-660w one does. The big deal is, that it can destroy the conn at any device involved.... 1300€ GPU, 300€ PSU, neither one is cheap -
The difference between 3080ti and 3090ti is down to ~100-200€ @ mindfactory for certain models. If I had to buy I would take the full thing. 12GB more for 150ish€, always ! https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/GeForce+RTX+fuer+Gaming/RTX+3090+Ti.html https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/GeForce+RTX+fuer+Gaming/RTX+3080+Ti.html
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What Power Supply for 4090?
BitMaster replied to durka-durka's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
Let me bet 1 beer that this damn connector will see a Revision With such strict consumer protection laws in the US it's bound to cause legal issues sooner or later. I hope before the first home goes up in flames -
DCS process is occasionally not shutting itself down after exit.
BitMaster replied to MoleUK's topic in General Bugs
I am no log wizard but it always says DX11 backend error... When did you last upgrade your Nvidia driver ? The only time when I encountered such things was when I tinkered with VMware or test-installs on physical machines with too little RAM, that often led to not shutting down properly. If it rather seldomly happens with small missions but happens often after larger missions it could be RAM, though 32GB should kind of be enough to not fail but who knows. -
You say your SSD is near full ? Some SSD's firmware render the drive abnormally slow when near full. You might want to look into that as well.
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CPU Upgrade from Ryzen 3600
BitMaster replied to lt.shifty's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
With 4 sticks, you often have to raise Volts to like 1.375-1.4 Volts. As long as it is B-die Volts dont harm at those values but other vendor's chips may do if you stray north of 1.40v Try to find out what chips your sticks run on. I have B-die and they sweat at 1.50v ( set to 1.475v and the board adds the rest ). They are fine with that as long as you cool them aka keep an eye on temps. IIRC, Buildzoid said that the "other" vendors chip would die an instant death at anything beyond 1.4ish volts. Forgot the name of that specific chip that hates higher volts. -
NVME M2 drives: which slot to use?
BitMaster replied to Lange_666's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
A hail to SSD & NVMe ! Coming from way back when CPU's had no Co-Processor and HDD had 20MB capacity, they, the HDD's, always were a very hard and costly to overcome bottleneck. For about a decade, mid '90s to mid '00 I switched to SCSI, Adaptec era, AIB Controllers and 4MB-Cache cards made my life easier but still, it was a bottleneck. Sometime around 2008 I built my last home-server with 16 drives, 14x250GB and 2x1TB, all on a 16 port Adaptec SAS BBU controller. Only to splitt I/O between OS, DATA and VM's. Gawd that thing was heavy, LOUD and overall not satisfying. I sold it and went Laptops for many years until I built my self another Do-it-All rig. That time around, SSD were already the # norm, WHAT a relief. That was around 2015. Now, I run ALL of my VM's off one single 1TB 980Pro until my 64GB are 98ish% utilized, that is usually either my UTM Firewall + all Linux + NAS or the UTM + 4-5 Win-OS There is no slow down whatsoever, I imagine if I had more cores and mostly more RAM I could fire up another 2-3 VM's and the NVMe would still just do it and not become a bottleneck. That sheer power is very welcome, first time we have headroom when it comes to drives and I/O speed. Unless you really need server grade throuput, it is almost impossible to bring a NVMe to it's knees on a desktop computer. They really strive when you press them hard. Small, silent and less heat too. -
The DDR5 show is so bad that many shops and retailers bundle 32GB-DDR5 to a AM5 Board for free, just to push the whole thing forward. Most of the DDR5 promises made are still not here yet, neither could you do 128GB with confidence and sure no promised 256GB. And what did they say about Volts....I see the same volts applied as with DDR4. Maybe in the server space that comes to play already. 5800X3D, 64GB DDR4 , no stress...none of those new CPU's is actuallyfaster than that AMD chip. Many reviews skip it because it would show how badly they all perform vs. the 3D chip.
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What Power Supply for 4090?
BitMaster replied to durka-durka's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
This is not going to work properly with a 2012 PSU, we are Q4 of 2022. There is no and never will be an adapter with the sensor cables and the 4090 will never run as intended. I would really wait and see. Then, those PCIe cables, if there are enough first place, where not designed to all feed one device. the video was clear on that topic. The PSU is 10 years old too, think twice before you fry both. Get one that has the proper new connector with SideBand Pins so it can talk to the GPU. https://seasonic.com/news/post/sea-sonic-to-launch-new-vertex/ -
use the iGPU to install the rig and test the RAM
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NVME M2 drives: which slot to use?
BitMaster replied to Lange_666's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
Lange_666, All of your 3 NVMe slots are usable without sacrificing any lanes elsewhere due to the fact that the board does not have WLAN, Sata 7+8 and no 3rd PCIE-x4, any of these would force the layout to switch between either-or one or the other device but not in your case. You can make use of 6x Sata and no PCIe-x4 -or- 4x Sata + PCIe-x4 ( a 1-Slot Add-In NVMe card for example ). If a NAS drive is safer or not compared to DAS ( Direct Attached Storage ) is another debate and very specific. -
What Power Supply for 4090?
BitMaster replied to durka-durka's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
Watch this first, and maybe the video linked from Jay -
NVME M2 drives: which slot to use?
BitMaster replied to Lange_666's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
It actually got three and since it skips a few features it has enough lanes to fire them all 3 without deactivating anything. from the specs site: 1 x M.2 connector (M2A_CPU), integrated in the CPU, supporting Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SSDs: AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 3000 Series Processors support SATA and PCIe 4.0 x4/x2 SSDs AMD Ryzen™ 4000 G-Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 3000 G-Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 2000 Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 2000 G-Series Processors support SATA and PCIe 3.0 x4/x2 SSDs 1 x M.2 connector (M2C_SB), integrated in the Chipset, supporting Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SSDs: Supporting PCIe 4.0(Note)/3.0 x4/x2 SSDs 1 x M.2 connector (M2B_SB), integrated in the Chipset, supporting Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SSDs: Supporting SATA and PCIe 4.0(Note)/3.0 x4/x2 SSDs 6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors, integrated in the Chipset: Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, and RAID 10 (Note) For AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 3000 Series Processors only. -
NVME M2 drives: which slot to use?
BitMaster replied to Lange_666's topic in PC Hardware and Related Software
The diagram for X570 usually has 1 connector for NVMe x4 without sacrificing any of the six Sata conns. Only when you have a board with 8x Sata you end up having no NVMe fed by the Southbridge. Only when you connect a third drive you will have to sacrifice either another 2 Sata or a PCIe x4 slot to free up 4 lanes. It's simple math, + and -. Look up the diagram of the chipset and see how your board vendor has solved the puzzle, there are more ways than 1. To sum it up: - 1x fed by CPU ( best option there is ) - 1x fed by SB w/o the need to turn off other devices - any other NVMe forces you to turn off other devices, Sata, WLAN, PCIe slot(s). I have 4 slots, 1x CPU, 3x SB. #3 forces me to loose PCIe x4 Slot and #4 forces me to turn off Sata 5+6. Only 2 work w/o restrictions. With Ryzen 7000, you have TWO NVMe directly fed from the CPU ( since the CPU now lacks native Sata support ). That is great imho ! Not really, it behaves just like my #3 Slot from post above. Either I use that slot, PCIe-v4 x4 or I use the onboard NVMe slot #3 ( which your board doesnt have ). It still needs those 4 lanes from the SB chip. Either or that is. it wont magically pull 4 lanes out of the sleeve
