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The adapters Devrim got most likely have a chip inside as afaik there is now other way to "translate" the signal from digital ones and zeroes to analog voltage amplitudes.

Wow, man, that's a nice Workstation, 128GB and 16 cores + a nice NVMe. Top Dog setup

The biggest hurdle right now is not what to buy but what can you actually obtain. many many parts or only available on websites as pictures to glance at but no real stock to buy from and I do not think its going to get better with Xmas and Covid. People buy like crazy for home office or home entertainment.... was looking for a 5900 today, sigh, no luck at all in germany.

I would consider Ryzen 5000 series as their single core performance is higher than Intel's best chip meanwhile, even when you oc that Intel. Read some reviews to get the idea. Variant-2 would also mean new motherboard, you cannot drop a 9900k into a Z270 board ! My pick today if I was you: Gigabyte Aorus X570 Ultra or Master Ryzen-9 5900X 32GB DDR4-3600 CL16 and a fast GPU ...a good cooler ( which you would need for any CPU, AMD or Intel )

The GPU decision should be based on what res you want to use it. Full-HD and a 1660 is ok, for more pixels you should as said above grab a better GPU. Contrary, dont buy 16GB now ( 2x8GB) and then "try" to match another kit 6 months later, you might get a bad suprise. RAM should be purchased in a final kit if you want to avoid any trouble. It may work but it has a high chance of failing too. You should consider a Ryzen5-5600 CPU as well, it's the best bang for the buck far and wide right now, if you get one.

Actually, back in the days I preferred ATI ( now AMD for the younger generation ) over Nvidia just because of that much better visual quality. It was so obvious it was out of question. 2 screens side by side, 1 ATI and 1 Nvidia and it was clear who had the better looking picture.

It's nice to see we actually have a choice now and tbh, either side ain't bad. Imho for gaming the difference is very small, maybe not enough to make a decision based on 130 vs. 134fps, it's more like what else do you do with your PC and how long do you plan to use it before upgrading the main components. Intel is cheaper if you only aim for gaming, if you aim for overall performance the 5000 AMD series has the better options...at a higher price. If you upgrade your GPU often, maybe PCIe v4 is a killer decision point in a year with new GPUs that "may" need v4 to shine. If I upgrade Dec or January it will be AMD 5900 most likely, maybe 5950 if money allows, and a Gigabyte Master board, keeping my 1080ti for now and see what next mid range GPUs can deliver. I need cores for VMware, fast drives and throughput. That makes it easy for me to decide for AMD. But tbh, I am still finer with my rig, it delivers enough to have fun in any aspect. Again, finally we have choices for CPU & GPU, that is NICE !

Dual Rank vs. Single Rank I guess. Need to watch the video later today. I got my eye on a 5900X...maybe...and I want my 4x8GB CL16 to work in that combo as per XMP. Let's see near Xmas

TBH, I don't like it at all :( Bring back the old format.

I think you both are perfectly right, just not speaking the same language. For buying a PC I would follow Thinder's POV, once you have it..follow motomouse's POV, you can choose where the bottleneck may occur, "want fps ? scale down LOD and make your CPU the bottleneck" or "YOu like Eyecandy? well, turn up LOD and make the GPU your preferred bottleneck". That's how I read your conversation. Just a matter of how you perceive the words you both wrote ;) ;) stay cool & calm BTW, PC's are non religious, maybe evil, but that is about it :)

Many who run a 1080ti @ 1440p say they are quite happy with it, including me. So a bit more won't harm but you definitely would be way over the top with a 3090. Anyway, check what the AMD cards can deliver, reviews should be around soon. They seem to be faster in rasterization and have more VRAM, both is good for DCS.

MAKE A BACKUP WHILE YOU CAN ! Admins have no mercy with people who do not make Backups. Even if they had it wouldn't change the fact of data loss.

Last but not least, before you buy into VR, try it out and make sure you do not get nausea as bad as I got it. I gave my Rift away a few days ago ( for free ) to my buddies kids. They love it, dont get nausea and thus can actually make use of it. Some say you will overcome nausea after some time, that never worked for me, actually, the more I tried it the more intense the dizzyness became. I might go back to VR once it has fully matured, is available for a normal price and runs great with sub 1k€ GPU. Until then, I stay with my flat 27" QHD screen.

Right on ! Show Nvidia your behind with pants down :clown_2:

Guru3d posted some "LEAKED" benchmarks, take it with a pinch of salt, show that the 6800XT will outperform a 3080 in rasterization by 22%. I would definitely wait and see what it delivers once available. It looks promising for DCS and waiting a few weeks can't really hurt if there is a 22% boost in the air. https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/alleged-3dmark-scores-of-amd-radeon-rx-6800xt.html Not to forget the 16GB VRAM on AMD cards compared to 10GB Nvidia cards.

Nvidia played the cards badly imho. If they skip the 20GB versions many users will cross the river to the other side and it's usually hard to get them back if they feel good on the other side. 10GB is a joke and being forced to buy into 3090 series is a BAD joke. Feels like a slap in your face. I may upgrade my mobo/cpu end of this year for taxes, I will 100% buy AMD if I do that and if I also opt for a new GPU which I honestly don't need it would be AMD too. None of the rigs I built last few years on AMD were anything but great, I will do the same treat for me if the tax papers say "spend it !"

27 all the way

Springer Club :thumbsup: Despite it ruined my knees, kidneys and afew other parts I still loved it. That raw feedback of that Harley/Porsche engine, directly bolted to the frame, no shocks, no rubber and foremost, no counter balancing shafts ( 1994 model ) the whole beast was shaking under me. I will never forget when I picked it up from the dealer after I had some nasty parts put in, SS Super S Carb + Kuryakyn Hypercharger, Crane Cams, Single Fire Ignition, Primary Belt and afew other goodies...it was better than stock, even more reliable ( in the rain and wet weather ) and oh boy...I felt like a grenade was exploding under my butt when I fired it up, God hold those pistons tight or I am history - were my first thoughts. The bad sides, you better forget them, 53m for 62mph -0mph, a normal Audi of the era was standing still after 36m. You better dont brake but look for the GAP to get through..or throw an anchor but braking wont help, haha. Saved my ass a few times. My friend got 2 new ones, monster torque, fast but no soul. Digital Ignition, Injection, ALB and what not else. When you sit on it, you wouldnt know the engine runs if you wouldnt hear it. That would have never happened on mine, the moment you fired it up every bone in your body was shaking to the rhythm of the V2, THAT is what Harley is all about imho. Yeah, now 25 years later I wouldn't wanna ride one...nahh..gimme a nice convertible maybe, with heating and massage seats :smilewink:

51 in a few weeks. Gawd...time flies

End of this year ? Waahaa, that's almost like NOW :thumbup:

Wanna tell you a story about a company I know.....not Rosie, haha. Over 30 years ago, I was about 16 or so, ,my buddy Oliver and I bought those ultra cool looking Oakley Shades to wear them doing BMX Freestyle, those original ones that even Walter Röhrl was wearing when he was racing rally cars ( way after we had ours btw ). They lasted for years until one of the ear levers ( hope that's the correct term ) started to clip out from time to time. In the end, one lever's clamp broke off and by that time I had several sunglasses, had sold my BMX and was riding a Springer Harley with RayBan's ;). Tho I could not wear them anymore I kept them till today. About two months ago my buddy Oliver died froma heart attack and memories came up, good ol' days freestyling, wheelies and bunny hops...all that with those ultra cool and unbreakable glasses from Oakley with Lifetime warranty ( which I forgot ). So twelling in my memories I contacted Oakley here in Germany to see if I can get that right lever replaced, no matter how much that would be, I wanted those glasses to be working again. They told me to write it all down in an email with photos that show all parts of the glasses and the damaged part in detail. I wrote that mail and nothing happened....till today. I had this mail in my inbox, almost deleted it cause it looked like Spam but then saw "oakley.com" Guess what: They rated the damage as "under warranty" and since they cannot replace the part they offered me 3 similar models to choose from as a replacement, AFTER 35 YEARS !!! I picked the one closest looking to the original Shades and wrote them back with many thanks. What a surprise, I had those glasses written off completely and now this treat. I wish they would all treat their customers like Oakley ( or ED, with their long support and pay once play forever strategy ). In Memory of Oliver R.I.P. my Friend

I don't expect ED to achieve heavy multicore usage until there is a total rewrite of the code. After following this topic for almost a decade now I had to learn it's not that easy at all and the bigger, older, more complex the code is that needs to be changed the less chances you have to make it in such a way that it helps more than it brings new issues on the table. My hope is that Vulkan frees enough ressources on the pounded core so that it buys enough time to make this happen way down the road while also increasing processing immedeatly after Vulkan becomes active in DCS. That is my assumption what is gonna happen in the next 1-2 years. I don't expect multi-processing for the core until way after 2025. I hope we are all still alive then :smilewink:

Does it still show up in your Operating System ?

Don't buy now, AMD will come out soon with new GPU and CPU. Even if you still decide to go Intel & Nvidia it is likely that they have to adjust/lower their prices since most people expect that at least the AMD CPU will take the crown in best CPU for gaming, the GPU is another story but if it is any good, Nvidia will have to lower the price for their 3080 and 3070 etc cards. Grab a beer and hold out. Might save enough to buy a good stick or rudders or whatever from that saved money.

Would Vulkan increase my FPS when I am already at 99% GPU ? NO, it cannot do wonders ! Would Vulkan take some load of the "1" core that basically runs DCS and thus make my minimum FPS be higher ? Likely Yes imho. THAT is what Vulkan can deliver to us, free up the main core so it can do MORE DCS and LESS GPU. Let other cores do the work and let the 1 core take care of DCS in a better way. That is what I think Vulkan will be for DCS