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How did you solve the rad problem ?

Well, that specific PSU is one made for that so it does come with the 16+4-Pin cable, ATX 3.0 specs and all that. But listen, even then and ONLY then you will encounter the melted connectors. Adapter cables top out at 450w and likely won't not melt away as the 600-660w one does. The big deal is, that it can destroy the conn at any device involved.... 1300€ GPU, 300€ PSU, neither one is cheap

The difference between 3080ti and 3090ti is down to ~100-200€ @ mindfactory for certain models. If I had to buy I would take the full thing. 12GB more for 150ish€, always ! https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/GeForce+RTX+fuer+Gaming/RTX+3090+Ti.html https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/GeForce+RTX+fuer+Gaming/RTX+3080+Ti.html

Let me bet 1 beer that this damn connector will see a Revision With such strict consumer protection laws in the US it's bound to cause legal issues sooner or later. I hope before the first home goes up in flames

I am no log wizard but it always says DX11 backend error... When did you last upgrade your Nvidia driver ? The only time when I encountered such things was when I tinkered with VMware or test-installs on physical machines with too little RAM, that often led to not shutting down properly. If it rather seldomly happens with small missions but happens often after larger missions it could be RAM, though 32GB should kind of be enough to not fail but who knows.

You say your SSD is near full ? Some SSD's firmware render the drive abnormally slow when near full. You might want to look into that as well.

With 4 sticks, you often have to raise Volts to like 1.375-1.4 Volts. As long as it is B-die Volts dont harm at those values but other vendor's chips may do if you stray north of 1.40v Try to find out what chips your sticks run on. I have B-die and they sweat at 1.50v ( set to 1.475v and the board adds the rest ). They are fine with that as long as you cool them aka keep an eye on temps. IIRC, Buildzoid said that the "other" vendors chip would die an instant death at anything beyond 1.4ish volts. Forgot the name of that specific chip that hates higher volts.

A hail to SSD & NVMe ! Coming from way back when CPU's had no Co-Processor and HDD had 20MB capacity, they, the HDD's, always were a very hard and costly to overcome bottleneck. For about a decade, mid '90s to mid '00 I switched to SCSI, Adaptec era, AIB Controllers and 4MB-Cache cards made my life easier but still, it was a bottleneck. Sometime around 2008 I built my last home-server with 16 drives, 14x250GB and 2x1TB, all on a 16 port Adaptec SAS BBU controller. Only to splitt I/O between OS, DATA and VM's. Gawd that thing was heavy, LOUD and overall not satisfying. I sold it and went Laptops for many years until I built my self another Do-it-All rig. That time around, SSD were already the # norm, WHAT a relief. That was around 2015. Now, I run ALL of my VM's off one single 1TB 980Pro until my 64GB are 98ish% utilized, that is usually either my UTM Firewall + all Linux + NAS or the UTM + 4-5 Win-OS There is no slow down whatsoever, I imagine if I had more cores and mostly more RAM I could fire up another 2-3 VM's and the NVMe would still just do it and not become a bottleneck. That sheer power is very welcome, first time we have headroom when it comes to drives and I/O speed. Unless you really need server grade throuput, it is almost impossible to bring a NVMe to it's knees on a desktop computer. They really strive when you press them hard. Small, silent and less heat too.

The DDR5 show is so bad that many shops and retailers bundle 32GB-DDR5 to a AM5 Board for free, just to push the whole thing forward. Most of the DDR5 promises made are still not here yet, neither could you do 128GB with confidence and sure no promised 256GB. And what did they say about Volts....I see the same volts applied as with DDR4. Maybe in the server space that comes to play already. 5800X3D, 64GB DDR4 , no stress...none of those new CPU's is actuallyfaster than that AMD chip. Many reviews skip it because it would show how badly they all perform vs. the 3D chip.

Also some boards for AM4 went through the roof in pricing. My board from last year sells for 600+€ now at mindfactory, thats 50% + to last year when I got it...LoL *edit: today that board is back to ~400ish€, what a freaking shock that was.

This is not going to work properly with a 2012 PSU, we are Q4 of 2022. There is no and never will be an adapter with the sensor cables and the 4090 will never run as intended. I would really wait and see. Then, those PCIe cables, if there are enough first place, where not designed to all feed one device. the video was clear on that topic. The PSU is 10 years old too, think twice before you fry both. Get one that has the proper new connector with SideBand Pins so it can talk to the GPU. https://seasonic.com/news/post/sea-sonic-to-launch-new-vertex/

use the iGPU to install the rig and test the RAM

Lange_666, All of your 3 NVMe slots are usable without sacrificing any lanes elsewhere due to the fact that the board does not have WLAN, Sata 7+8 and no 3rd PCIE-x4, any of these would force the layout to switch between either-or one or the other device but not in your case. You can make use of 6x Sata and no PCIe-x4 -or- 4x Sata + PCIe-x4 ( a 1-Slot Add-In NVMe card for example ). If a NAS drive is safer or not compared to DAS ( Direct Attached Storage ) is another debate and very specific.

Watch this first, and maybe the video linked from Jay

It actually got three and since it skips a few features it has enough lanes to fire them all 3 without deactivating anything. from the specs site: 1 x M.2 connector (M2A_CPU), integrated in the CPU, supporting Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SSDs: AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 3000 Series Processors support SATA and PCIe 4.0 x4/x2 SSDs AMD Ryzen™ 4000 G-Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 3000 G-Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 2000 Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 2000 G-Series Processors support SATA and PCIe 3.0 x4/x2 SSDs 1 x M.2 connector (M2C_SB), integrated in the Chipset, supporting Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SSDs: Supporting PCIe 4.0(Note)/3.0 x4/x2 SSDs 1 x M.2 connector (M2B_SB), integrated in the Chipset, supporting Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SSDs: Supporting SATA and PCIe 4.0(Note)/3.0 x4/x2 SSDs 6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors, integrated in the Chipset: Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, and RAID 10 (Note) For AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors/AMD Ryzen™ 3000 Series Processors only.

The diagram for X570 usually has 1 connector for NVMe x4 without sacrificing any of the six Sata conns. Only when you have a board with 8x Sata you end up having no NVMe fed by the Southbridge. Only when you connect a third drive you will have to sacrifice either another 2 Sata or a PCIe x4 slot to free up 4 lanes. It's simple math, + and -. Look up the diagram of the chipset and see how your board vendor has solved the puzzle, there are more ways than 1. To sum it up: - 1x fed by CPU ( best option there is ) - 1x fed by SB w/o the need to turn off other devices - any other NVMe forces you to turn off other devices, Sata, WLAN, PCIe slot(s). I have 4 slots, 1x CPU, 3x SB. #3 forces me to loose PCIe x4 Slot and #4 forces me to turn off Sata 5+6. Only 2 work w/o restrictions. With Ryzen 7000, you have TWO NVMe directly fed from the CPU ( since the CPU now lacks native Sata support ). That is great imho ! Not really, it behaves just like my #3 Slot from post above. Either I use that slot, PCIe-v4 x4 or I use the onboard NVMe slot #3 ( which your board doesnt have ). It still needs those 4 lanes from the SB chip. Either or that is. it wont magically pull 4 lanes out of the sleeve

That will likely NOT work with DDR5 at this stage. My advice, check what speed your board supports with 64GB @ 2x32GB-modules and buy that as one 64GB kit. With 4 modules, the supported speeds dump WAY DOWN at this stage of DDR5 degree of ripeness.

When you look at other CPU's for other segments of the market you can see this is a decade old tool or strategy to give more IPC to a lower clocked core. Server CPU's usually run at lower MHz but have a massive Cache compared to Desktop CPU's to partly compensate for the lack of speed. Same for some Laptop CPU variants. To give them more oomps at say 1.8GHz they get more L3-Cache, 6MB instead of 3 for example, cheapest way to remedy some of it. I am really looking forward to those 7000 series X3D CPUs. I hope they offer more than one SKU.

With all the cost involved, why 32GB only ?

There are statements in this forum, one even from today or yesterday regarding the 5800X3D. My resume from this is very positive. Same goes to Guru3D, they say the 5800X3D is likely the better deal for now.

It seems odd that it does lack some power in many Desktop and Synthetic Benchmarks but when you look at the real deal, FPS in real games, it just can play it'S cards better than any other CPU out there yet. Maybe 13thgen or AMD's own next 3D-Cache CPU, till then I think the best gaming CPU is the one with the most Cache.

Sadly yes...wouldn't be surprissed if the 5800X3D will skyrocket in price as well.

If it shows anything it's "keep Data close to the Core, L1-L2-L3 Cache, the closer the better. Screw the MHz Race when the cost is 150+Watt on top of what's needed when more Cache can deliver better results with less energy consumption on top of it. Considering the much lower MHz of the 5800X3D, it beats them all by FPS per Watt and FPS per MHz.

Take the ACE MAX, plenty USB directly from the board, 2.5G, WiFi ( sometimes, it just comes in handy, believe me ), likely better components used as well. Best of all, it's actually a 570S, S for silent, no chipset fan, a big PLUS. No fan that can fail after a couple years... Alternative, the board from my sig, about same spec and it runs very very robust. Best board I had in 10+ years hands down.

So, after flying over the first view reviews, it looks like the "old" 5800X3D is still the best gaming CPU. It here and there only sits in 2nd or 3rd place but overall it leads the pack. Together with the ATX3.0 issues this makes it not so tasty to buy into the brand new stuff, slower and flawed...WTF is going on ??